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huh you know maybe signalling centrism on the “cannibalize the palestinians” act while trying to coopt leftism is a bad thing
As opposed to to signalling opposition of the “cannibalize the palestinians” act that still would have passed. It’s definetly an AOC cringe compliation worthy moment but that’s all it is, idk why people are acting like it’s the end of the world becuase of it.
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Because we have moral indignation over apartheid and all who enable it or refuse to stand by their supposed principles. No one thinks its the end of the world, we just think it was cowardly. you are acting like people being disgusted are acting like its the end of the world IS the end of the fucking world
Compare the outcry about AOC’s “present” versus Jamaal Bowman’s “yes” and you’ll start finding answers.
The answer is Bowman comparatively never gets any press, so no one cares about him. Electoral politics are a media circus. :shrug-outta-hecks:
Are the reasons AOC gets more press at least in part sexist? Yeah, probably. But I feel like putting that on most of the people here isn’t really justified.
TBH I wish I heard less about the squad.
Lenin says “performative” votes are a necessary part of useful communist electoralism. You wouldn’t want to disappoint this face, would you? :back-to-me:
I feel like your pulling my leg here but I can neither confirm nor deny your claim.
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Legit Lenin said to use guaranteed-to-fail-in-bourgeois-democratic-chambers communist positions to demonstrate what is possible only through revolution and point fingers at those standing in our way, albeit as part of stating that you first need a mass of class conscious workers - such as those disappointed by anticapitalist reformism (itself promising and failing to deliver such things by necessity).
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1920/lwc/ch09.htm
But most importantly look at these widdle cheeks. :lenin-laugh:
Is there a good Lenin compilation? I read the one thing he has about the State (I have brain damage from sleep deprivation so I don’t even remember if it was State and Rev) but I’m always amazed at how clever and insightful the snippets I see are
Yeah Rosa said something similar, essentially use elections to lose while standing on a soapbox and agitating. The moment you concern yourself with if you win or get a loss or gain, you’ve failed https://www.marxists.org/archive/luxemburg/1898/09/30.htm
And only under these conditions do we fight in the sole permissible way for what is at any time ‘possible’. Now if one says that we should offer an exchange – our consent to militaristic and tariff legislation in return for political concessions or social reforms – then one is sacrificing the basic principles of the class struggle for momentary advantage, and one’s actions are based on opportunism. Opportunism, incidentally, is a political game which can be lost in two ways: not only basic principles but also practical success may be forfeited. The assumption that one can achieve the greatest number of successes by making concessions rests on a complete error. Here, as in all great matters, the most cunning persons are not the most intelligent. Bismarck once told a bourgeois opposition party: ‘You will deprive yourselves of any practical influences if you always and as a matter of course say no.’ The old boy was then, as so often, more intelligent than is Pappenheimer.[A] Indeed, a bourgeois party, that is, a party which says yes to the existing order as a whole, but which will say no to the day-to-day consequences of this order, is a hybrid, an artificial creation, which is neither fish nor flash nor fowl. We who oppose the entire present order see things quite differently. In our no, in our intransigent attitude, lies our whole strength. It is this attitude that earns us the fear and respect of the enemy and the trust and support of the people. Precisely because we do not yield one inch from our position, we force the government and the bourgeois parties to concede to us the few immediate successes that can be gained. But if we begin to chase after what is ‘possible’ according to the principles of opportunism, unconcerned with our own principles, and by means of statesmanlike barter, then we will soon find ourselves in the same situation as the hunter who has not only failed to stay the deer but has also lost his gun in the process.
We do not shudder at the foreign terms, opportunism and the art of the possible, as Heine believes; we shudder only when they are ‘Germanized’ into our party practice. Let them remain foreign words for us. And, if occasion arises, let our comrades shun the role of interpreter.
The Communist stance on shit like this is pretty fucking clear.
I mean that’s also my outlook on things but the people making the biggest fit about this whole ordeal are sweaty terminally online leftists who’ve never attended a protest or union drive in thier life but preach proliteriet revolution and scream at you to read theory, as if that’s what going to liberate America.
Oh, and hating on AOC is apparently also neccessary for the socialist project, no alienation happening there at all!
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What practical purpose could AOC serve if not to “performatively” vote for things that are unquestionably bad? Like, is there a stamp card where if she votes along with the party 10 times, the party leadership will support the GND or whatever?
Same reason as Bernie Sanders, they’re outnumber in every way shape and form, but Bernie and the Squad, for all the cringe shit they do did more to foster a leftist bloc in America moreso than SA, PSL and CPUSA combined, even if they aren’t leftist themselves. I know this sounds like some 4D chess shit but we wouldn’t be having this coversation had Bernie not stepped up to run for president back in 2015.
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Sure, but those gains largely came from using their platform, which is also the extent to which I think electoralism is useful as a tactic. Which is exactly why I would like AOC to publicly oppose shit like this.
Fair point, but people memory-holed the Israel shit from a couple months ago pretty quick, why now people are “drawing a line in the sand for AOC” is just… stupid. Your all going to forget and AOC will retweet a Robert Reich tweet about inequality and everyone will forget why they were mad in the first place.
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What practical purpose could AOC serve if not to “performatively” vote for things that are unquestionably bad?
Well, there’s this $3.5T infrastructure bill that she’s got a slice of. Would be a shame if her share got accidentally nixed from the legislation because she couldn’t vote for Palestinian Baby Murder.
That’s the practical purpose of any House Rep. Sending money back to your district.
Notably, this objective could be accomplished just as well if her predecessor was still in office
I’m generally on the “Squad good” train and feel like most of the arguments against them are sectarian ultraleft crap but like…there’s no defending AOC and Jamaal Bowman’s actions yesterday. The actions were pathetic (doubly so for Bowman), and we’d all be better off taking it at face value and calling them cowards.
I think Bowman has an excuse, given that he already had some werid pro-israel platform when running for Congress cause his district is full of jewish people who have nothing better to do but to elect pro israel canidates. AOC less so but I oppose all the melodramatic drama about her abandoning her progressive values, as if operating within the capitalist bloodlust government doesn’t require sacrificing of ideals, otherwise your kicked out for rocking the boat to hard.
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