AccordionTomato [he/him]

I’m not saying that the contradiction between first world and third world workers should be ignored. I’m saying that the contradiction can and should be resolved without the destruction/negation of one of those groups. That’s what I mean when I say the contradiction isn’t antagonistic the same way as the contradiction between labor and capital or between the proletariat and the bourgeoisie.

:mao-aggro-shining: For the sake of having/defending a revolution, Mao’s position on contradiction is absolutely correct. It preserves the heart of diamat, while ensuring that it can’t be weaponized against itself.

add the Sicko_Yes Emote from the discord. It’s the only emote I want to use

Even Lenin wrote that a socialist has to stand in solidarity with and fight for all oppressed people. These people love coopting actual revolutionaries and taking like half a sentence as emblematic of their whole work

To paraphrase Mao, not all contradictions are inherently antagonistic. The go-to example Mao uses is the contradiction between the rural peasantry and the urban proletariat. A contradiction becomes antagonistic when it in and of itself causes an external conflict. By that token, the contradiction between first world workers and third-world workers isn’t necessarily antagonistic.

There’s a section in “Family, Private Property, and the State” where Engels refers to “the abominable crime of sodomy” so there is a valid case for calling him homophobic. However, that didn’t affect any of their political projects and is more of a matter of what they personally thought. This is probably because they lived about 100 years before there was any kind of movement for gay people.

Also, that text you’re talking about has Engels refer to Urning (a term for gay people) as Pederasts.

Here’s a great summary of it: https://ufmrg.files.wordpress.com/2017/11/wolf-mrg-article-1.pdf

That’s what I’m saying. You can and should criticize the first world and first worlders, and analyze the dynamic between the first and third worlds, but that’s different from uncritically blaming climate change on first worlders in general without any nuance. It’s not about obscuring the contradiction between first and third world workers, because the contradictions between those two groups are not necessarily antagonistic.

The goal is to understand and analyze these contradictions in their entirety without writing off large swaths of the population as irredeemable or unchangable

Marx and Engels may have been homophobic, but they did write that people in a socialist world would probably have a completely different view of love than either of them. Moreover, they also wrote about gender roles being socially constructed in “On the origin of the family, Private Property, and the State”.

Plus, I’m pretty sure Marx never wrote anything condemning "Bourgeois Identity Politics.

Obama fucking sucks. Bombed more people and more civilians than Bush, bombed fucking hospitals, weddings, and funerals for no fucking reason, and he had the fucking gall to retroactively consider all of those people combatants.

Not to mention he decided to expand our oil industry without setting up anything to deal with climate change and now he wants us to think he cares about the environment.

He’s a goddamn warmonger with the blood of millions on his hands and he can go fuck himself.

I read this guys name as Tankie Steyer at first and was really confused