GucciMane [none/use name]
In the worst case scenario (collapse w/ no class consciousness) we can at least work to build dual power structures and mutual aid connections so it isn’t as bad for us.
If fascism happens then we fight it as partisans or die in camps. And when that period of fascism is over, the new generations will be in the power to build socialism, just like last time. Marxism will never die.
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Yeah, has everyone here forgotten about Ferguson, Baltimore, etc? If you want to know what summer 2020 would have looked like under a dem president use those incidents for reference. (So basically, still protests but more localized and smaller scale + govt still clamping down on it massively)
Bro no offense but who cares
How are they socialist? Their economy is clearly based upon a capitalist mode of production. Perhaps they are led by a socialist party, but since the market reforms of the 70s-90s, the arrangement of their economy has been decidedly capitalist, no?
Furthermore I think proletarian internationalism has always been an important tenant of socialism, and china has not engaged in that in a long time (See: giving money and guns to Israel, Philippines, etc).
China is cool for this but let’s not get ahead of ourselves.
Allow me to preface by saying I’m generally not against deng or the market reforms, nor am I an ultraleft Maoist. I just think China is absolutely not a socialist country yet.
I don’t agree with obfuscating the definition of socialism as you have done, because with a flexible or nebulous definition we end up with people claiming that social democracies are socialism so long as they’re run by a “worker’s party”. To the contrary, I think there are real conditions a society must observably reach for it to be regarded as socialist. If we define socialism as, generally, a society in which “the means of production, distribution, and exchange are democratically controlled by the workers”, then China is not socialist. A large proportion of China’s wealth comes from privatized companies. Much like in capitalist countries, goods and services are distributed through the (more or less) free market. I imagine a majority of Chinese people labor for wages in privatized or state-run workplaces.
Take a second and just read this paragraph. This is the country you describe as being socialist (inb4 redsails article):
As of 2018, China was first in the world in total number of billionaires and second in millionaires – there were 658 Chinese billionaires[96] and 3.5 million millionaires.[97] In 2019, China overtook the US as the home to the highest number of rich people in the world, according to the global wealth report by Credit Suisse.[98][99] In other words, as of 2019, a hundred million Chinese are in the top ten percent of the wealthiest individuals in the world – those who have a net personal wealth of at least $110,000.[100] In 2020, China has the world’s highest number of billionaires, which is more than the US and India combined,[101] and as of March 2021, the number of billionaires in China reach 1,058 with the combined wealth of US$4.5 trillion.[102] According to the Hurun Global Rich List 2021, China is home to six of the world’s top ten cities (Beijing, Shanghai, Shenzhen, Hong Kong, Hangzhou and Guangzhou in the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 8th and 9th spots, respectively) by the highest number of billionaires, which is more than any other country
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_China#Wealth_in_China
China surely is at the primary or early stage of socialism, and probably is on the path of socialism, but it’s still very far from genuine socialism. It’s okay to be excited about China’s progress and achievements, I am too, but as I said earlier, let’s not get ahead of ourselves. I’m sure we can at least both agree that China has many leaps and bounds to make before they are able to realize a genuinely socialist country.