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My understanding of third campist period, was it was a period of time before ww2 where hard c communist decided to not work with socialists,

If you take a close read of marx I think he still thinks communism is enviable, but as I hope you know marx isn’t always consistent he sometimes even contradicts him self a lot, I still think he believes it even if it isn’t stated in the way he crafts his arguments that.

But also you probley where not alive their was an entire thing in the 1950-1960 from hal draper, he translated a whole mess of early bolshveck writing and he’s kinda at the center of that debate at that time.

As far as the Trotsky goes he’s a dumb ass for trying to send russian speakers to soviets to overthrow the goverment, this is were the stalinist accuse him of being a fascist sympathetic which is a causality of the split. I take the orthodox position that russia could not get the goods because it wasn’t a mature captilist power all bets are off after the German revolution dosent work for me.

All the rest of this aside I really don’t care either way what I’m trying to do is get people to stop fetishism for the soviets because my generation did it with trotsky and yes I understand why the new generation are in a stalin fan club its attempt to invert the shitty cold war thinking and I commend that, I really do. But its not enough it not enough it didn’t work for the new left in the 1960s and the really tragic aspect of this is the x generation didn’t really have a left because of the nu left in the 1960s, I got sucked into that and regretted it deeply. All I want to really say is we need to rethink we can’t use the bolshvek model here in the states, we need to pull from the past but we can’t just reproduce the same structure we can’t just import anymore, matter of fact we need the young leftist to learn from our mistakes please I am almost begging. Your seem like you have a good head on your sholders I hope you continue to grow and learn and I learn from us be better then us.

I think you also very correct they will basicly force the llms on everyone with out it being that much more profitable, especially if the llms keep eating their own out puts.

Fucking bingo you get it, you get a medal of. Assinment understander they absolutely are.

Im not a trotskyist, and im not deny soviet sucess not even saying the nazis are in a alliance with the soviets the assumption of bad faith is palpable but I guess I wanted to underline the nuance of the situation, but yeah I’m not understanding, do you know what campism is? Third campist period, campism describes both tendency of leninism.

not looking for confrontation, a lot of yougener leftists I saw on this site seem to know theory but not the context of the theory example saw a really nice poster who though inevitability theory wasn’t something that got dropped in the 1950 by almost everyone.

The other change iv seen is trotskyist back in the day used to call them selves leninists or ml, I found it really strange when my grandson started calling him self a ml but had stalinist positions, but honestly I use to be a type of trotskyist in the late 1970s then I developed my own opinions left the movment, did some moist stuff in the 1980s but yeah for some reason stalinist really don’t like being labeled correctly kinda like trotskyists in the 1970s and 1980s.

So maybe this reaches you maybe it dosent, the old left in this country fucked up, we tryed to import theory and rarely tryed to understand the assignment. Assume good faith always.

There is still quite a bit of fat to trim on these llms might be early to tell, but yeah profitability is lower then expected they pounded 1 trillion $ over the last 7-8 months its a program that unemployes people, so how could it ever be good for the economy side note it is a real productivity upgrade and we really haven’t gotten for 30 years, but it also seems to be a tech that is dead ended

My grandson showed me Chapo in like 2019 and I still listen to relate to him when he comes over, but I also like hell on earth, I really like watching the christman fella develope as an artist, its clear hes a shamed of being a podcast and wants to do more.

If the have seen the new ones since hell on earth released, He defiantly isn’t Nihilistic, The podcast has always been for entertainment hes not some thought leader polemic telling people what the left should do broadly, I think this is really dishonest, unless your ignorant of it, he even goes on to say the grill pill thing was just away to cope with the Bernie campaigner being a nonstarter, he believes the left that currently exists will be have to disintegrated for something better to form. ( Im trying my best to recite from memory)

Your correct, The one caveat that is interesting to talk about is surrounding the LLM model playing “Minecraft” is very technically and almost not certainly widely agreed at this point in time Let me just get out of this out of the way. They had A LLM play minecraft it would right code and they gave it access to the game by letting it write code and they gave it a very vague end goal like get to the nether.

Some cognitive psychologists think that after watching it play the game, it learns like a human but it’s not “Human Intelligence” What makes humans intelligence according to Cognivitists is the ability to ascribe meaning where their is none, a experiment where they give chimps a task with parts of the task being pointless, the chimps will remove the unnecessary steps pretty quickly, meanwhile the human control will ascribe meaning to the unnecessary steps and attempt to justify why they have to be done and this is what they this is where human intelligence comes from because you have to be creative and this leads to humans attempting to figure things out to avoid making up things. It’s kinda brilliant, but honestly who knows because levels of abstraction, and really no body even kinda understand human intelligence.

This would mean if this is true, That LLM have the capability to become a sort of “Human like” But not necessarily human intelligence which is mildly terrifying because…

1. It would mean LLM’ Could potentially become Intelligent in this way and you would have no fucking clue other then seeing you never need to tune the AI with training and it gets better the more you run it. Those would be clues.
2. LLM weights are directly manageable unlike humans we need book and third party mediums to change our thinking, LLMS can be programed directly to be a set number of desired end traits after training, Example: you could program it too do a job a human can do and it would be creative enough to replace a human except with no emotion, and it’s not really human in how it “Thinks” 3.IF above is true, You could create a Machine that isn’t Fixed capital, but at the same time is creative similar to humans and is directly programmable so turns into Variable Capital, or something new entirely like fixed capital that behaves like its variable Capital.

I pray to the heavens that this is all not true because holy lord all mighty this would be a mess for every worker.

A little interesting hopefully?

I heard the reason this happens is because the llm because they sort of copy human intelligence they also have an issue where if you train then for one type of test like the sat, they get worse even if it was trained for language. it gets worse if you train the llm on another subject, so it seems like llms have issues with retaining their sharpness of the models as you use the model over time, which is not like humans. Very weird tech.

To rephrase the llms trained for language learning get worse over time if you try and use them for math, so over time they get worse at language.