KarlJung [none/use name]
“accused of being trans”
what does this even mean, why is being trans some dirty thing to be accused of, i hate this country
i hope reddit dies permanently
Yeah that’s why I said it was technically true
I agree that it can help people cope, but IMO it’s never going to be as good as actually being free physically. And, freedom is different from happiness. You can feel plenty free in prison but your conditions can still make you miserable in other ways.
I’m not trying to argue they’re doing or saying anything wrong, at worst I just disagree with them on an abstract moral plane. Because of the context I got the impression that “freedom” was being used as a stand-in for “happiness”, implying that happiness can only be obtained “within”, which is something I don’t really agree with. People need to do work on themselves, yes, and individual coping mechanisms can help, yes, but you need both that and a change of environment for a fundamental change in attitude.
I think that someone who is liberated but misunderstands what that liberation is in reality is going to feel a lot freer than someone who is not liberated, even if they think they don’t. Someone could be a conservative who despises living in a socialist country but their subconscious attitudes caused by having free healthcare are going to affect them positively nonetheless.
I guess my criticisms are less about social issues (though I think that’s a fair critique of the philosophy in some situations) and more about this idea of a perfect Sage figure. I don’t think they’d actually be as resistant or universally happy as lots of Stoics make it out to be. I don’t think anyone is just able to subvert or sublimate all of their desires for socialization, pleasure, etc. These are essential parts of human psychology. Not to mention physical things, like injury or pain or starvation, which the majority of people, no matter how hard they try, simply cannot ignore entirely.
So why is this important? Surely, since the philosophy is about accepting or ignoring things you can’t change, all of what I’m saying here is just pedantic, because if someone’s being stabbed or is cripplingly lonely, wouldn’t the best case scenario be that they can ignore those things and adapt to them?
Well, yeah, I’d certainly agree, but the problem is that, when you begin thinking that someone can adapt to horrifying extremes like this, suddenly, at least some blame gets put on the person who fails to adapt! Of course, no one would really fault someone for failing to react optimally to conditions like the ones I’m mentioning here, but the most harmful blame isn’t external, it’s internal.
When you assume that it’s possible for anyone to transcend all forms of mental and physical suffering through sheer brainpower, that creates a whole new form of suffering and anguish when they fail to live up to that. Even if they’re perfect stoics and don’t blame themselves in any way for failing to live up to it, this theoretical person in a terrible situation would still be spending inordinate amounts of time on pursuing an impossible goal. It, at best, does nothing for them, and at worst, gives them more mental stuff to work through!
Then, what I suggest is a kind of meta or post-stoicism. One of the things we have to learn to accept that we can’t change is sometimes ourselves. This isn’t free license to be a shitty person, or to do whatever you want without consequence, but it is an acknowledgement of your own needs as a person, and permission to simply let yourself be sad or angry when things suck. Paradoxically, I think that letting yourself suffer in those ways is essential to being happy. If you don’t, you spend massive amounts of time trying to get rid of those emotions, often to no avail.
Also, the categorical belief that all irrational or non-reality-centered emotions are bad needs to go, too. I’m a filthy postmodernist, so I think that the majority of human desires in general are entirely made up. That doesn’t make them invalid, though. This might sound like the romantic criticism that PhilosophyTube mentioned, but it’s more nuanced than that. I’m not saying that cheating on your spouse or risk-taking or anything like that is necessary for a happy life, I’m saying that happiness itself is irrational. All positive emotions, including mere contentment, come from entirely subjective and irrational experience. Happiness is brain chemicals generated from arbitrary biological stuff. Meaning in general is entirely inferred and does not exist in objective reality. So, grounding oneself in reality and only reality is completely meaningless advice.
In short: First principle of stoicism good, it’s generally better than epicureanism, especially given it’s communist-y emphasis, but it actually didn’t go far enough with the first principle’s own logic.
Figure out what you can change, figure out what you can’t, but sometimes the things that you can change are external from you, and sometimes the things that you can’t change are internal.
This is not edited at all so if I did anything wrong such as use the wrong pronouns again, or said something that sounds confusing, please let me know. If I said something that sounds really reactionary I probably intended something else, but let me know so I can clarify
Edit: Oh no I’m a Buddhist, thank you Philosophy Tube