I spent 10 minutes trying to come up with a witty take but there’s too much going on here :agony-acid:
Arguments in this thread against independent trade unions are atrocious lol. Banning them solves nothing other than fail to respond the worker grievances and fails to integrate them into decision making. Especially when they come from leftist workers (as virtually all independent organizing attempts in China come from).
On the post, yeah independent labor organizing in China is hard and will get you arrested. A group of Maoist students got the book thrown at them for trying to organize a Shenzhen metal fabrication plant a couple years ago.
Good podcast on that recently: https://cosmopod.libsyn.com/the-class-struggle-in-contemporary-china-w-yueran-zhang
AFL-CIO has entered the chat
Also, it’s one of those things where we know what a capitalist takeover of socialism looks like. It’s happened a lot. It’s always followed by insane amounts of death and poverty as well as destruction of the communist party and industrial unions/soviets in favor of no organization or company/trade unions with no teeth.
I don’t think we’ve really seen that trend in China yet and they are absolutely not a country that would be allowed to have workers above the poverty line due to the fact that their greatest resource is and always will be their labor.
