Literally give the actual land back

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National self-determination doesn’t exist in socialism, nations are abolished, the point of is abolishing the concept of “governing” which in the modern era meant “mediating the contradictions of capital and establishing the will of the ruling class”, rather than establishing new governing structures that are more “democratic” or “representative”, the problem is to do away with the need to mediate class contradictions not reforming the process by which these are mediated, by achieving the destruction of wage labor. such thing as “self-governance” is actively not socialism.

Rather than pushing for universal gains for the working class, including the indigenous working class, you are simply delivering them to unfettered exploitation under a ruling class of their ethnic peers

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National self-determination doesn’t exist in socialism, nations are abolished

idk about that

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What do you mean? I’m going to assume no socialists want ethnostates in the future. That means no Israel but also no Palestine.

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Socialism has been paired with national self-determination and decolonization movements in much of the third world since after WW2.

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cope

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National self-determination doesn’t exist in socialism

we don’t currently live under socialism

gib the land back, US gubmint

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5 points

It’s rlly that easy

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Same argument applies, your “liberation indigenous people” amounts to delivering indigenous working class to capitalists of their own race, what do the working class care about the race of their opresor? the point is to abolish the means by which indigenous workers are opresed, not give them a better more democratic opresor

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:yes-comm:

i don’t think anyone is rooting for the class system to survive the revolution, least of all indigenous peoples who have been forced into accordance with said capitalist patriarchal framework.

Land Back

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You are spouting empty slogans without really analyzing their content, sure indigenous workers probably don’t, but that’s the thing a government structure is a way of controlling the national capital, and managing a class system. Tell me how you pretend to destroy capitalism and also form a structure that only exists to manage capitalist production at the same time?

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8 points

land back gib it 2 them

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Wow someone who read theory

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