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The USSR actually kinda sucked. Many things about China suck too…

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The argument is not and has never been that socialist states are utopias. Only that they are stepping stones to something better. As opposed to the spiraling collapse that characterizes most capitalist countries at the moment.

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Yeah. The USSR was shit to live in, but it wasnt literally destroying the world.

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The USSR at its latest, most ineptly-managed point was still a better place to live for a lot of people than any of the modern capitalist successor states. There’s a reason why a lot of elderly Russians report being nostalgic for the Soviet era.

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Well yeah, they may have been stepping stones to something better. But a lot of them reached a point, where their fall was inevitable, and there was increasing lack of freedom, paranoia, corruption and deterioration of the quality of life Now this is not dissing on these regimes, even though there are plenty of things to diss on, as these seem to be things that happen to any collapsing modern regime (and why the US today is eeerly similar to say the balkans in the 90s)

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lack of freedom, paranoia, corruption

How would you define these terms? Particularly freedom. Because I bet that, in a lot of ways, people in past socialist countries were freer than we capitalist subjects are.

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And yet they both are way better than us

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That’s not a strong claim.

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I feel like in context it is good enough. I think managing small goals is sometimes good for perspective. And acheving the adjusted quality of life found under the USSR in it’s prime is probably a pipe dream here in america

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Cheap or inexistent rent already makes a huge difference

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