https://twitter.com/johnrobertsFox/status/1422996114593259521

Personally don’t think this is the right path at all and is going to effect rural, poor and anyone without proper public transit (soooo a ton of people) unfairly. I understand the idea behind it but there are so many better ways to deal with the driving problem they’ve created.

You are viewing a single thread.
View all comments
29 points

This is for a pilot program to replace the gas tax. The gas tax is already a mileage tax by proxy, for the most part.

There are better ways to do this, like modulating it by vehicle weight to accurately reflect cost of upkeep to roads, but if you want to still have roads when electric cars start to have serious numbers, if you’re not talking about a mileage tax then you live in a fantasy world.

permalink
report
reply
11 points

Speak on it, hell yeah

permalink
report
parent
reply
32 points

I mean, big rigs paying for their fair share of road maintenance would kill the road freight industry overnight. Semis cause like 36x the stress to roads as an average sedan or something equally bonkers.

There will be pain somewhere, is all I’m saying, and it will inevitably be felt most by the poor, no matter the implementation details.

permalink
report
parent
reply

The US General Accounting Office did a study on this in 1978. (Excessive Truck Weight: An Expensive Burden We Can No Longer Support CED-79-94)

They determined that a fully loaded 80,000 pound 18 wheeler did 160,000 times more damage than a 4,000 pound car (which already is a oversize piece of shit).

permalink
report
parent
reply
18 points

big rigs paying for their fair share of road maintenance would kill the road freight industry overnight.

:rocz-yes:

permalink
report
parent
reply

How much less fuel efficient are they already?

Or does diesel get less/no gas tax?

permalink
report
parent
reply
5 points

Okay but giving people the stick for damaging roads without giving them the carrot of mass transit is just sadistic.

permalink
report
parent
reply
3 points
*

How do you think we’re going to deal with water shortages?

Climate change necessarily demands a reduction in “quality of life” for the first world.

And there is literally no way to serve the massively spread out rural and suburban American population with mass transit. It is not feasible.

You do not get to continue to live in an exurb and commute into the city in the era of climate change, even if you’re poor. I’m sorry. The least sustainable lifestyles will feel the pain the most, that is unavoidable. We should not be investing money into sustaining unsustainable lifestyles. The answer to “the exurban and rural poor will suffer under increased driving costs” is not to expand mass transit to cover the farming town. That is lighting money (and the planet) on fire. The answer is to make land usage in cities (where sustainable living is possible due to economies of scale) more intensive.

permalink
report
parent
reply
5 points

You do not get to continue to live in an exurb and commute into the city in the era of climate change, even if you’re poor.

There’s no housing in the city. There’s no jobs in the burbs. You’ve got to fix that problem before you start punishing people for getting priced out of the city. If you pass this tax before fixing that issue like Biden is doing that doesn’t move us towards sustainability, it just turns the ratchet.

permalink
report
parent
reply

traingang

!urbanism@hexbear.net

Create post

Post as many train pictures as possible.

All about urbanism and transportation, including freight transportation.

Home of train gang

:arm-L::train-shining::arm-R:

Talk about supply chain issues here!

List of cool books and videos about urbanism, transit, and other cool things

Titles must be informative. Please do not title your post “lmao” or use the tired “_____ challenge” format.

Archive links for reactionary sites, including the BBC.

LANDLORDS COWER IN FEAR OF MAOTRAIN

“that train pic is too powerful lmao” - u/Cadende

Community stats

  • 4

    Monthly active users

  • 3.8K

    Posts

  • 44K

    Comments