If he had stuck strictly to cops, we’d be all good, but one of the first people he murdered wasn’t one.

Going after the families of bad people when they really didn’t play any role in the bad person’s actions is abhorrent and indefensible. Kids shouldn’t have to pay for the sins of the father and all that.

It doesn’t completely invalidate the good he did do/say, but it’s definitely a black mark on his record and why I can’t really get fully behind him, even for meme reasons.

I’ve brought him up before, but I think Micah Xavier Johnson is overall a better example. Apparently he was a sexual harasser when he was in the military, which is obviously terrible, but at least you can say when he went on his spree that he didn’t go for any non-cops.

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I believe that there are different levels of collaboration. Would she deserve punishment? Yeah. Of course. But killing someone is quite a harsh action.

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I have two thoughts here.

  1. We have been trying to move away from a “punishment” model because it’s mostly used to oppress the working class especially minorities

  2. Killing someone is harsh, and I would hope beyond hope we never have to do it. But I think at some point, we won’t have a choice. Dorner, ok, didn’t have to do what he did at all. But I wonder what we will have to do, the resources and organizing capacity we have now feel less than paper-thin. Even the dumbass big chud display in Portland where they were shooting paintballs from their monster trucks… does the left have that kind organizing capacity at all?

I guess what I wonder is, how much moral compromise there is to get it done or maybe just get by? Is there a way to get to the end light at the end of the tunnel… I am not trying to be edgelord here, but I mean… surely it’s not going to all fisticuffs and paintballs. Somebody is gonna start a dirt naps eventually, and I would rather it not be me or my comrades. The far-right is openly agitating for the state to mass-slaughter Black folks and leftists right on main street. That is the temperature right now. And I am not convinced the liberals are gonna care if they start.

Imagine an extremely hypothetical question: if it was some antifa named renroD who last night shot some cops but also the Rittenhouse mom. The right-wing would blow up, but putting that aside, would we say as in the Dorner case that the police killings could be justified as an act of resistance, but still wringing our hands about how killing a family member is just categorically beyond the pale?

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Well, the thing is, What are the motivations? Why did Mr. renroD shoot the mom? It’s not about killing a family member, it’s about killing someone who isn’t a combatant.

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