and then answered with China.

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obviously not militarily, but you could argue culturally china can compete with the US in terms of nationalistic pride. i think people here underestimate how culturally jingoistic a sizable portion of china is from my experience

that said the US is obviously exceptionally evil and makes china look like a dove on the world stage

Considering that China isn’t founded on settler colonialism, genocide, and chattel slavery, I’d say Chinese nationalism is inevitable gonna be less toxic than US nationalism.

All nationalism is toxic, don’t fool yourself

I could say “Read Lenin”. Instead, I’m going to ask - do you think national liberation movements to throw off the yoke of imperialism are bad?

Liberation is good. Nationalism as a tool to accomplish it is a double-edged sword.

China is a sovereign entity, if you have that jingoistic pride bullshit going on after you become independant and a major power player in the world then yes, it is bad to be nationalistic

All nationalism is toxic, don’t fool yourself

after you become independant

OK, so already we agree that not all nationalism is toxic. I’m not quit this conversation because I’m not interested in a pointless struggle session over how established a country is allowed to be before any form of nationalism is bad.

They are from the Youtube comments I’ve seen from Chinese people, but at least they have some good reasons to huff their farts

i disagree that nationalism to such a degree is ever a force for good unless directed at a widely agreed upon evil, (nazis/poverty/etc…)

Chinese nationalism tends to go hand in hand with anti-imperialism and pro-socialism, and has ever since the Mao era.

from my experience that is not quite accurate? a lot I’ve seen is hate towards figures that interact with or employ Taiwanese/Japanese ppl as well as jingoistic attitudes towards the surrounding areas

pro/anti socialism is mostly absent from what I’ve seen, although I’m sure in the average citizen there prolly is more pro gov attitude while not being as remotly vitriolic towards percived others

TBH, I’m a little annoyed we found a way to shit on China in this thread specifically, regardless of how true or false it is. Mocking a jingoistic reaction against China by… agreeing with it?

Comparing Chinese patriotism and American patriotism is, IMO, mistaken. Regardless of what some Chinese people comment on YouTube. The two countries aren’t even close, and equivocating over this as much as we are is giving this chud teacher way more credit than he deserves.

Literally have not seen anyone here describe it as utopian or paradisiacal, when it comes down to it I don’t know jack shit about China either but that doesn’t mean we have to tolerate hypocritical history professors refusing to show their damn hog.

Anyway socialism is an international project which means we give critical support at home, but if you’re one of those people who thinks China’s a capitalist country with a red paint job, at least realize that the U.S.'s national propaganda is creating a bigoted atmosphere that is hostile and dangerous to east Asian people here.

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