slowly radicalizing me and I don’t like it
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Can’t wait for all my leftist friends that I managed to convince electoralism works rubberband back into tankies bc moderates are massive bitches
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this is literally half my friend group rn and I’m running out of counters
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Yeaa, but if the choice ever comes down between AOC-type candidate and a Manchin-type candidate, the libs will do everything possible to get the conservative elected. I’m certain that 2009-2011 was full of similar comments from the libs as well, it didn’t matter when the choice came down between the left and the conservative, they will always choose the conservative.
if the choice ever comes down between AOC-type candidate and a Manchin-type candidate, the libs will do everything possible to get the conservative elected
I mean, a lot of people on here aren’t exactly going to help. They’re going to call AOC a fascist and hold out for a protracted people’s war or general strike. How anyone thinks that’s moving the ball forward, I don’t know.
This is a question I keep coming back to- is there a way to have honest analysis amongst ourselves and also recognizing that some of that analysis suggests actions that aren’t a good idea in this moment?
I personally think a lot of the criticisms of AOC are well founded. But that doesn’t mean I’m going to lead with them when talking to libs I’m trying to radicalize, and I don’t think most people are suggesting that.
I guess what I find weird about comments like yours is you seem to be saying we shouldn’t even be criticizing her amongst ourselves which, just, why?
I’m all for honest analysis and criticism – but calling AOC a fascist is neither. Who does that appeal to outside of (some) terminally-online leftists?
There are plenty of legitimate criticisms of AOC. “sOcIaL fAsCiSt!1!!” is not one of them. There’s no path to a mass movement through calling one of the most popular and furthest-left politicians in the country a Nazi.
And we’re not talking about a choice between AOC and Lenin reincarnate; we’re talking about a choice between AOC and Joe Manchin. A legitimate critique of what passes for leftist candidates in the U.S. would acknowledge the many ways those candidates are still an improvement over the most conservative of Democrats.
I was an anti imperialist libertarian who was friends with communists in 2010. I don’t know exactly what the scene was like on the left, but I believe “bleak” is a good estimate
