Like, hear me out, Libs have always sucked but I remember in High School I was friends with a lot of self IDed capital L liberals, and while they had plenty of :brainworms: of their own, they were generally at least fairly anti-war, not anti-imperialist mind you but generally on the dove-ish side of the spectrum. Several of them attended anti-Iraq war protests and whatnot.

Now suddenly it seems like everyone to the right of Marxist-Leninism is a bloodthirsty hawk. Idk if that’s just social media astroturfing by lanyard types, polling stats seem to suggest the base of the Dem party is less interventionist than the party itself. But, idk, it’s weird how this demographic went from being, at the very least, skeptical of US foreign policy, now all of the sudden wants to nuke Moscow.

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he famously stayed out of Rwanda during the genocide

That was the incident that soured me permanently on US intervention abroad. 1993: “Danger in Somalia! USA get in there and help!” USA does get in there and help, the Mogadishu Massacre results: 5,000 civilians die in a single night. 1994: “Danger in Rwanda! USA get in there and help!” USA doesn’t get in there and help, gets blamed for the massacre. It’s the Kobayashi Maru, the no-win situation. The only winning move is not to play.

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