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Attract global capital investment without creating a directly antagonizing relationship with its engagement with capitalism
This is fantasy. You can’t “engage with” capitalIsm without engaging with the downsides of capitalism. You don’t have capitalism without class antagonism, capitalism is itself a set of antagonistic relationships.
Like your defense of the reinstatement of capitalism in China would be much more convincing if there was some acknowledgement of the risks of that strategy, rather than pretending like capitalism becomes magically not antagonistic when it’s regulated by the CCP. Why bother transitioning to socialism if that’s the case?
i mean the lack of such reform and integration would have probably lead to the complete collapse of the cpc and the end of prc so i would say the engagement was necessary and objectively put china in a much better position in the end. the necessity of this to develop rapidly and compete with western capitalist interests and not get overrun by them is apparent enough. theres certainly contradictions and its obviously something many people in china still want to resolve but what i said is the reason for it, which simply put is that it favors the very real material gains of the country. whether or not you agree or think its a good strategy is a different story i guess.
also i think you misunderstood what i said. i meant theyre not creating open antagonism as in against capitalist elements and people engaging in them by just seizing all their wealth or something (which they still do sometimes). but theyre not strictly threatening and scaring off capitalist investment and engagement per say
the necessity of this to develop rapidly and compete with western capitalist interests
This ignores that it’s entirely possible to develop under a planned economy. It’s not a necessity to embrace capitalism to get development especially as we’re at/past the end of global capitalism as a force that can develop the productive forces.
Also saying that the pros outweigh the cons is not to say the cons don’t exist. Among the cons of capitalism is the exploitation of workers (as a feature, really), and surely you explicitly take this into account?
I think everyone knows the cons exist. i dont mean to be harsh but you’re not the only person in the world who’s ever thought about this or reached some sort of conclusion no one else has ever been able to. Unless you’ve spent years of your life studying China and the many complexities of its past and present and have a deep understanding of its society and economy, I would wager some humility is probably needed here and beseech some trust on the comrades in China who are well aware of all this and much more at a much more fundamental level than you or I ever could be. I’m not sure arguments on an online forum are conducive towards much other than giving people migraines.
Yea, they would seem like obvious concerns, and yet in the post I’m responding to:
Attract global capital investment without creating a directly antagonizing relationship with its engagement with capitalism
Participation in global markets to avoid the devastating effects of sanctions is a bad thing now? After the collapse of the USSR, China didn’t really have a choice but to open up the markets to avoid total collapse. The fact that they are still pursuing self sufficiency from those markets they were forced to enter should be a good sign that they don’t plan on staying in them forever.
The Chinese government is a dictatorship of the proletariat and capital remains subordinate to the government which is controlled by the communist party. This is pretty evident by things like their response to Coronavirus vs the US response but if you doubt it you should look into how many capitalists are on the Politburo, what the relationship between party and private enterprise is, and what Communist Party leadership have written over the years about managing the contradictions of capitalism since it’s reintroduction under Deng. I know I was being cheeky but when I said “oh shoot they never thought of that”, that’s your cue to realize that they have thought about it and look into what they’ve said and done about it.
