I’ve only been on this website for a short time so I know this looks sus im not trying to start arguments or something im just uncomfortable with something ive been seeing
ive been looking around and seeing things in posts and i would like to say that many of them make me very uncomfortable it is very common to see posts/topics idk that seem to be kind of glorifying revenge and hurting people disproportionately hatred for bourgoisie is justified but the people talking about and detailing torture make me really uncomfortable (saying things like detailing cruel and unusual punishments) because i have a hard time not involuntarily putting myself into the shoes of others even when they have nothing in common with me
ive been trying to tolerate it because i assumed this was part of what “dirtbag left” meant, being unapologetic and willing to advocate for things that are unappealing and not “civil” so become confused when people brought up the dumb will smith incident because it was just a slap, barely anything but lots of people seem to disapprove of it for being childish and immature i understand this viewpoint but i dont get why these two exist simultaneously i was starting to see the appeal of simply just advocating for “fuck around and find out” violence against the bourgoisie and nazis and obvious bigots but when the same principle is applied to others who are making ableist jokes it’s bad
it comes across as people only caring and advocating for violence against people that affect them personally, and not people who affect others negatively i dont care about will smith (rich jerk) but i don’t understand how that doesn’t apply to me. why are people advocating for violence in ways that are arguably justifiable but make people uncomfortable just talking about them, but if i were to hit someone for making fun of me stimming or something that would be bad?
was all of the wall/torture/grenade pit stuff sarcastic or is the stance that its only ok to commit violence against people that affect the entire proletariat instead of just a part? (i know will smith probably isn’t part of the proletariat i just don’t understand how him being in the wrong doesn’t also translate to proletariat members hitting people for making fun of them and family members and their own conditions)
i also don’t know how to feel because a lot of the time it’s very hard to control things that are considered violent actions i understand that as a general principle i should avoid them but in a situation like with the will smith thing (lots of people, someone making fun of someone i care about , probably lots of stress because award ceremony) i could see some kind of meltdown happening and me flipping out or doing something a lot worse, i know that’s bad, and i avoid doing things like that but also lots of people have conditions that make that more likely so i have a hard time not sympthaziing. i also don’t understand why making fun of someone to the point of self-harm or emotional harm is ok but hitting them isnt, and in a world where nobody seems to care enough to actually help deescalate (and usually takes the side of harassers if they’re “funny” enough) what else your even supposed to do? nobody taught me this and i wish they did
What I notice is that people will unironically support someone like Will Smith, but when pressed on how escalating violence is a bad thing, they’ll retreat to “oh it doesn’t matter why do you care anyways?” Or what’s worse, they’ll double down and say how they would “throw down” or whatever in real life, which I highly doubt. There’s no way they’d be that stupid to risk going to jail just cuz someone insulted their momma or whatever. Or risk getting decked by someone much bigger or stronger than them.
i would “throw down” in real life in that i would get angry and hit someone without thinking about consequences because htey just insulted someone who’s dear to me based on a disability they have
obviously it’s bad for me but saying it’s morally wrong and simultaneously defending cruel and unusual punishment in general seems hypocrticial
Re. cruel and unusual punishments:
You’re correct. But these are all hypothetical. If I heard that Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos tripped and got their genitals caught in a laundry press, I would laugh hysterically. I wouldn’t have it in me to torture someone in that manner, however, and frankly I’d be suspicious of anyone that did; at least towards common-or-garden chuds and assholes. They are people too, after all, albeit in need of re-education.
Often these calls to violence are directed at reactionaries, if not dyed-in-the-wool Nazis. Look at the violence they advocate on a daily basis, like what Greg Abbot is trying to do to trans people. For them this is a fight for survival, so I’m not going to quibble if they wish death upon him.
