Comment by commiewithoutorgans [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net on The meat lobby[Farmers party, BBB] is up to 2nd place in the latest dutch polls. I hate this country so fucking much.

Rood is pretty trotsky/kautsky filled at the moment, which I don’t like, but it seems for some reason to be most popular with youth at the moment? Kinda confused on that tbh. They had their all-hands meeting today, and I got that impression

t seems for some reason to be most popular with youth at the moment

What gives you that impression?

I haven’t spoken to a socialist under 30 in a while who isn’t super pro-reform/kautsky anti-lenin/stalin. Also that the leaders of the most prominent socialist group (ROOD) are outspoken Kautksy/Trotsky people

Then I misread your comment. I thought you were saying that Rood was the most popular political organisation among youth in general.

Most popular socialist one, yeah. Most popular, fuckin wish

Most western European coms are leftcoms nowadays it seems. Older generations remember a soviet union and the communist resistance, the new ones are idealist and wish for bloodless revolution.

Utopianism is the largest trend across the European left. The fight right now in many countries is the same fight Marx and Engels were having, an argument against widespread utopianism and in favour of scientific socialism.

There’s still MLs in the Netherlands, they are in the CJB (Communist Youth Movement) though.

ROOD doesn’t believe in a bloodless revolution, by the way. It was one of the things they got attacked for in the media (in favour of things such as arming the masses).

CJB has the benefit of being part of the NCPN, meaning they’re actually organised. But they’ve got like , wat, 300 members? Pretty sure ROOD’s got 1900 or so.

ROOD doesn’t believe in a bloodless revolution, by the way.

I know Kemerink was chastised for his comments about gun ownership. All of these party’s actual leadership are communists (if often leftcoms). The Dutch left is in general, however, utopian.

Most western people are useless. In other news, water is still wet and gravity still pulls you down. :agony-4horsemen:

the new ones are idealist and wish for bloodless revolution.

Can you really blame someone for wanting to live in peace? People’s consciousness doesn’t magically appear; nobody is born as a ML. Consciousness develops trough changing material conditions, and the active presence of a broadly organised marxist party is crucial for guiding that process.

I understand why, just find it a pity.

Understandable. I just want to combat the defeatism which I often see here: the “everyone in the West is useless”-sentiment. It’s our duty to organise, and change the material conditions, not lament them.

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