They’re not relevant in the slightest IRL.

Anyone want to explain why I see so much shit about patsocs in every online leftist space, all of which is totally divorced from things people actually give a shit about IRL?

It seems there’s this trend where some patsocist says something absurd online -> everyone rushes to dunk/criticize/make fun of it -> the patsoc’s message gets amplified to the millionth degree. Do content creators not realize that shitting out 500 videos/threads/posts/etc dunking on something that only exists online is only going to amplify it further?

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I have appreciated the pushback against patsocs and hazites by people here and elsewhere through the use of applied theory to completely dismantle their non-arguments, like the dumb fuck who was saying that baristas aren’t workers and don’t add value because they merely transform raw materials, not realising that the transformative processes that convert raw materials into a finished product are literally the core element of labor adding value. This, in addition to being a fantastic dunk (thanks @Alaskaball ), is also a great way to educate those who don’t know basic theory and might be led astray through the simple tempation of mere redistributive economics along national lines, rather than class lines.

It’s easy to say “ignore them and they’ll go away”, but first things first it’s next to impossible (even if we magically all shut the hell up about it someone else will blab), and second, they do their own self-amplifying if nobody pushes back. The alt-right /pol/ to nazi pipeline went through the same cycle of “ignore-them-and-they’ll-go-away-cum-self-amplification” and they got Trump elected. It’s not to be completely underestimated.

What is probably most true, however, is that their tactic of focusing not on explaining marxism or communism to Republicans, but rather on expressing reactionary politics and then going “See, even us cool communists hate the gays, please notice us sempai”, will end disastrously for them as there is nothing that the MAGAs hate more than communists, real or self-proclaimed, and they will be the first to be violently purged. It will be self-selecting up until they simply claim to be fascists, and even then I wouldn’t rate their chances.

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It’s easy to say “ignore them and they’ll go away”

Plus fighting with them releases dopamine and cortisol that I need to feel anything.

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