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You’re not going to convince hardcore israeli supporters. People like that typically hold political beliefs not because they’re true or false, but because of material interests. If it is in their perceived material interests to support Israel, they will, regardless of how bad they are. But read Norm Finkelstein and Ilan Pappe.

Here’s some heart-wrenching videos if you’re talking to people whose hearts can be wrenched.

A Palestinian man lists all the family members he lost when IDF bombed his home.

A 10 year old girl breaks down after air strikes destroyed her neighbors’ home

Israeli lynch mob and police breaking into a palestinian home in Haifa

IDF attacking and harrassing Palestinian medics trying to do their job, repeatedly dumping an injured man off of a stretcher

IDF disguising themselves among palestinian protesters, begin firing from inside the crowd

Jewish American Activist beaten by Israeli police for supporting Palestinians

Palestinian woman describes how she had her phone seized for filming IDF beating a child

Again. I stress “de facto” versus “de jure” here. Israel doesn’t need laws literally saying “we do apartheid!” They just need to impose something like apartheid through physical force. Legal-brained liberals only care about de jure oppression. If the state is capable of violently enforcing oppression without legal backing, it will! Bourgeois laws aren’t enforced on the ruling class! Constitutional protections don’t apply to oppressed groups!

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All of that is just oppression. Those videos could have been taken in Chile during Pinochet or Philippines during Marcos. I don’t think people have done the work to understand what apartheid actually is, and just equate it to “something bad” in their brains.

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i think you’re concern trolling at this point.

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I’m trying to gather evidence of Israeli apartheid to save for the next time this comes up and yet all I’m getting is “they’re mean to the Palestinians”.

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