I don’t know honestly I think a lot of people on this site have a kneejerk reaction to want to disagree with CHUDs no matter what they say because they don’t like them.

Like the general metaphorical truth is that the ownership class is going to use neoliberalism to continue turning the crank on the working class ad absurdum, and that’s ultimately true. The reason you’re having trouble telling them why they’re wrong is because they aren’t, they just may have a wrong idea about what to do about that.

It’s much more rhetorically powerful to not show a desperate need to disagree on every point. Agree where reasonable, and then push the left position like “… and that’s why we should be dedicating all our resources to liquidating the ownership class.”

A lot of CHUDs are much more radicalizable than libs, because many are at least starting from the position that this is all fucked. But you won’t be able to radicalize them if you let them trick you into defending neoliberalism (which is ultimately what they probably think leftists want anyways).