Comment by Sandals [none/use name]@hexbear.net on Congrats to the largest socialist organisation in the US of A on achieving this milestone.

Sure but their CEO controls mass amounts of capital.

Yeah the DSA probably doesn’t have great foreign policy, but it’s one of the best places in the US to find politically active individuals who are going to be more open to leftward leaning ideologies.

This mentality is inherently liberal. You’re putting the superstructure ahead of the base by assuming that people will become revolutionary by pure ideology alone rather than their material and class interests. Honestly it seems to me like most “leftists” would just rather talk to college educated peers than poor black and brown folks who make up the actual Proletariat in this country.

First off, thank you for the compliment.

I think people can be radicalized by ideology or material conditions, mostly a combination thereof.

“Honestly it seems to me like most “leftists” would just rather talk to college educated peers than poor black and brown folks who make up the actual Proletariat in this country.”

^I don’t see what this has to do with my opinion that the DSA could help move people down a path of radicalization. Seems pretty ad hominem at that, you don’t know anything about me dude.

I think people can be radicalized by ideology or material conditions, mostly a combination thereof.

Yes, this is the divide between the intelligentsia consciousness & the proletariat consciousness in communist parties.

Revolutions do not succeed when led by the intelligentsia, because they are not materially driven.

And yet pretty much all successful socialist revolutions up till now were led by the intelligencia 🤔

Remember when the Soviets of Students’ and Academics’ Deputies became the base of the USSR? lmao

The only members of the intelligentsia that have contributed to revolution made themselves subservient to the proletariat & peasants.

You said “led”, not “became the base”. No need to move the goalposts. There’s a good reason for this too, seeing as how the capitalist system actively discourages the proletariat from thinking about possible alternatives by denying education, propagating lowest common denominator culture and, above all, burdening proles with work and struggle for survival to the point they’re too exhausted. All of this besides the point if we’re talking about the DSA, because it’s explicitly not a revolutionary organisation.

Not everything is about you personally lol. The only thing I said about you personally I’d that your analysis is wrong.

Eh. That wasn’t the main point but whatever.

Sorry man, I don’t really get your point then in context to what I was trying to tell the original comment I replied to.

The point is that it’s worth considering how the class composition affects the DSA as an organization

I think that’s a fair point.

All I was trying to say to the original comment was that just because people get paid doesn’t mean they can’t also be comrades.

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