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eh, honestly it’s a bit better than that because loads of us are queer and/or some type of neurodivergent, esp. the people who’re actually invested enough to go to events. More of an actual subculture than just a consumption habit imo, because we’re largely Like This from socialising on the computer to avoid existing in a world that didn’t want us to for one reason or another. Unfortunately that means there’s a pretty big shard of Tech Guys, within which is a shard of fuckin Five Eyes Guys lmao
I have known quite a lot of cishet nt furries, hard to do counts. I know some cons banned nazis which is not so much an indicator of leftism as just functional liberalism imo in the us. I mean, being isolated on the internet falls always in many diff directions, politically. could have changed lately as more are open outrageously gay and have pushed back against the weirder people. E.g. look at anime which attracts basically anybody from all directions. Wouldnt say that anime watchers have messed up politics just bc they watch anime. And there are different tiers to that as well like who can afford cons, why people go into seeing themselves as an anime viewer (opposed to somebody who occasionally watches anime)
I am just sceptical of the idea that hobbies/subcultures as a rule are a reliable indicator of identity or politics (where I presumed this was coming from) bc I see people trodding it out against a more class based analysis, except maybe one that squarely places all of these into a globally priviledged consumer class (ew, dirty ““third worldism”” ew ew).
Would still kinda group subcultures as consumption (in the wider sense of the word) habits, doesnt mean they are “bad”. It feels weird to tack “this person enjoys this or that hobby therefore they are most likely y” on things. I would guess the queers furs are more coherently organized and therefore more visible/ able to ban people that would kill them since they stick together as a community more? I should prolly finish the book on that which is lying on my device…
oh, yeah, all subcultures are also consumption groups under capital, wasn’t disagreeing with you there but worded it poorly. this one’s definitely a pretty reliable indicator of identity in my pretty extensive experience though. as an example that’s fairly easy to tell at a glance, cis women are waaay below half (honestly there’s probably about as many trans women as cis women at a given furmeet) due to massive issues with misogyny within the fandom, reflections of misogyny in geek culture & male gay culture. While, yes, the economic relations are largely the same as they are outside of the subculture, I think it’s kinda absurd to go full vulgar marxist and abandon any analysis of social relations - specific groups face specific issues, and in order to flip other folks into being communists you gotta apply marxism to their actual lives
Was not saying class is the only thing that matters but if something is putting subjective stuff first and claims it is more important, it raises an eyebrow ngl.
Also, would you mind elaborating on why cis women are put off by misogyny and trans women in the fandom are not?
