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oh, yeah, all subcultures are also consumption groups under capital, wasn’t disagreeing with you there but worded it poorly. this one’s definitely a pretty reliable indicator of identity in my pretty extensive experience though. as an example that’s fairly easy to tell at a glance, cis women are waaay below half (honestly there’s probably about as many trans women as cis women at a given furmeet) due to massive issues with misogyny within the fandom, reflections of misogyny in geek culture & male gay culture. While, yes, the economic relations are largely the same as they are outside of the subculture, I think it’s kinda absurd to go full vulgar marxist and abandon any analysis of social relations - specific groups face specific issues, and in order to flip other folks into being communists you gotta apply marxism to their actual lives
Was not saying class is the only thing that matters but if something is putting subjective stuff first and claims it is more important, it raises an eyebrow ngl.
Also, would you mind elaborating on why cis women are put off by misogyny and trans women in the fandom are not?
yeah, you’re right that it’s not more important, but it does absolutely influence the class character - in my experience there’s far fewer people with “normal” jobs as a %, lotsa long-term unemployed, lotsa precariat (including the bizzare cyberserfdom of being an online artist), and then also a ton of PMCs, so prostletysing is a bit easier in some cases and harder in others
and it’s not really about who’s put off by stuff - it’s partly that things have gotten a lot better recently, various whisper networks have finally become shouting networks & lots of dickheads have been pushed out, so we’ve been more able to come out and/or figure stuff out. partly that a lot of us have been real deep into using the computer for years. and, honestly, partly that becoming a Creature, entirely seperate from your pathetic human self, is more appealing to trans people - there’s a lot of enbies & transmascs too. I think/hope it’ll even out eventually gender-wise, but there’s still a hell of a lot of work to do! also it’s kinda absurd how many paragraphs of Furry Fandom Analysis I’ve typed out lmao, might try putting my thoughts together in a more coherent format at some point
