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It always annoyed me that if a white person in the US can speak spanish, they’re “cultured and worldly”, meanwhile the millions of Latam people in the US who can also speak both spanish and english are just “foreign”

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Imagine that there are white native Spanish speakers, we usually call them -spaniards

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Yeah that’s kinda fucked.

I hate that America is monolingual. On the one hand it’s a form of privilege - everyone has to learn our language instead of the other way around - but it’s so limiting if you ever want to escape the bubble. Plus, the years when you have peak language learning ability are also the years when you don’t have any control over what you learn, so it also feels like you get locked in to it even if you don’t want to be.

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totally. there was a brief moment in the 80s that my crappy public school taught us spanish for a few hours a week. that lasted like a year before the program was killed off. i know there are like bilingual public schools and stuff now that teach spanish in certain parts of the US, because my nephew is in one. but like, it’s all optional so of course chuddy gringo parents rail against it and make sure most public schools at the elementary level are monolingual.

the only other chances i’ve had to practice spanish were making friends with some guys in high school who taught me slang, and later working an underpaid physical labor job and practicing basics with some co-workers who wanted to also practice their english. i did some audio conversational lessons on my own and have traveled to immerse in spanish speaking countries when i could, but my spanish is like tragic. and now i work in a more professional/office type of set up, where most everyone in a monolingual bozo. we had an azeri guy for a short while, and i made it a point to learn some basic please/thank you/greeting phrases, which were fun to use. of course no one else could be bothered.

he and i used to talk about rural american english dialects, because he was london educated and found the speaking style of rural america confusing/amusing.

if i were running shit, US public schools would have mandatory spanish language education k-12 with the expectation that everyone had to be bilingual and literate in both languages. the striving play heads could stack on that with like mandarin and french and whatever else, but really we should be all capable of spanish and english here.

but i imagine that kind of program would really piss off the chuds.

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Plus, the years when you have peak language learning ability are also the years when you don’t have any control over what you learn

This is a myth, adults are better at learning languages than children.

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Source that random guy you know who moved to an English speaking country 3 years ago and now argues with you in fluent English.

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Personally I’m always impressed by bilingual people no matter what the other language is.

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I kinda see it as the soft bigotry of low expectations. White people are just kinda assumed to be provincial, uneducated dip-shits. Anyone that breaks the mold, even superficially (:pete:) is treated as some kind of savant.

Foreigners with a stack of degrees and a dozen different fluencies are just considered the standard. Every taxi driver you meet should have a doctorate. Every ex-pat university professor is supposed to be a Nobel Laurette. Otherwise, how the hell did you even get in here? You better be Superman, because otherwise you need to GTFO.

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Immigrant who was an engineer/doctor/professor in his home country works a low paid service job here wow, so inspiring, it just shows nobody is above simple jobs and you should take any O P P O R T U N I T Y available! :so-true:

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