Comment by mrbigcheese [he/him]@hexbear.net on The War Nerds are interviewing Seymour Hersh about the Nord Stream Pipeline

And the invasion was a “solution”? For who? I don’t see how it resolved anything. It was deeply stupid and denying that is weird imo since they obviously thought they’d be able to trounce Ukraine like they did Georgia in 2008 and call it a day after a week but here we are a year later and its just escalating and the possibility for real peace for people in the region just worse than ever before.

what is the abscene of a peacetreaty , and what would you do if this here + Zelensky under applause declaring his persude of Nuclear Weapons at the Munich Security Council , is the reaction on your diplomatic initiative…

not that there are not other Reaction then the invasion and other goals , but i want you to state an actuall alternative Strategy not just “invasion bad” …

how do you play it ?

Edit: I would have first shut sown the landline pipelines to europe as a treat, and offere an donbass specific ulitmatum …

Do you have an alternative proposal? This conflict was going to happen one way or another because of NATO and America’s arming literal nazis. I don’t think there’s any reasonable analysis of this that doesn’t acknowledge that.

Oh cool, thank god Russia doesn’t arm literal nazis such as, let’s say, the Wagner group.

Please, if you are trying to analyze the conflict don’t sound like you are trying to turn Putin into some antinazi icon.

Does Wagner do pogroms in Russia? Do they run any ministries? This is tired NAFO fella rhetoric.

Oh cool, do nazis run ministries in the US, do they commit progroms??? I guess they are not a problem either.

Lmao, thank god nazis are not a problem unless they control the upper echelons of the government.

Didn’t answer the question, deflect to an imagined point I didn’t make. Oh yeah, it’s :reddit-logo: time.

I mean, the far right in the US does run ministries. Like, half of the Republican party is either explicitly fascist or close enough. And that’s not even getting into local governments in the US, where every single police department is more or less just a paramilitary force for whatever purpose they think they should serve.

You can literally make most of those points about russia too. As i’ve said, pretending russia is doing this for some noble antifascist reason is incredibly naive and frankly embarrasing.

Georgia did. After NATO built them up for years they tried to grab a slice of South Ossetia. They got their asses handed to them on a platter. The corporate media then tried to spin it as Russian disinformation. Why wouldn’t Ukraine?

Russia is untenable as a nation if Ukraine is not at least neutral, and everyone knows it. Why else did NATO spend so much effort trying to get Ukraine in? It’s a springboard for invasion.

sorry but the idea of Ukraine invading Russia or something is just dumb, they didnt pose any serious threat lol cmon

Are you serious? NATO were training them and built them up. They might not invade Russia, but donbass region? They have the capability to do it. It might be dumb from your perspective, but after 2014 and the ethnic Russian in that region separate, it’s basically becoming a civil war and there’s no way Russia, Putin or not would let the whole Ukraine be control by nato/nato train force.

I dont care if Ukraine invades itself, thats its own business. The idea Ukraine would really pose any real threat to Russia is just dumb, its the poorest country in Europe and Russia has 6000 nuclear warheads.

Well, the Donbass region ask Russia for help. Again, Russian will not tolerate any nato force/nato train force in Ukraine. 6k war head doesn’t matter when the enemy force is next to your border that nato could put nuke that aim straight at Moscow. This is just a classic battle for influence, the Russian will not tolerate any force next to them just as the US will not tolerate any military build up near them, which is why they tried to invade Cuba in the first place, because they can’t control them, if they can’t control them then they blockade them.

I know it why the US did that, but you understand the US shouldn’t have right? Russia won’t tolerate it, but it doesn’t mean they shouldn’t have. Its not like Ukraine would have ever joined NATO with ongoing border conflicts, and its not like Cuba posed a threat to the US either even with nukes.

I don’t care for government stoking separatist movements in other countries for one thing, that’s the shit the US does. You people believe insane shit about Putin, you think he is invading Ukraine out of altruism for Russians there?

Ukraine has been bombing civilians for nearly a decade and allowed Nazi paramilitaries to harass and kill them.

You “dont care” about that? It’s Ukraine’s “own business?”

Fuck you dude, also this provides a lot of context for the repeated threads you posted to whine about anti-war conferences.

Oh cool, so then we should also support the US intervening in Iraq, i guess.

You don’t care if Ukrainians do genocides on Russian ethnic civilians by bombing cities and burning communists alive in union halls? That’s lib shit

Yeah no, the Ukrainians were absolutely building up for an invasion of Crimea, that was explicitly the position of the coup regime

You don’t maintain a 700,000 strong army just to have it sit on Russia’s borders for eternity

Ukrainian military buildup from 2014 represented the largest, by percentage of population, non-superpower military buildup since WWI. They weren’t just building it up for funsies. What they were going to use it for, I couldn’t say, but you generally don’t build up that much of a military while in the middle of a civil war and not use it to retake the area that has separated.

Plus probably Crimea, since they were talking about it so much.

I mean they did trounce them considering Ukraine was ready to sign the peace agreement in April…until the west sabotaged it and proceeded to empty Europe of arms in a successful bid to prolong the war

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