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The current government of Ukraine had a conciliatory platform and policy in 2019-20.

I guess you didn’t see what Zelensky said yesterday, also it is flat wrong to claim the ultranationlists didn’t control the executive or legislature they are the dominant party even if their neo nazis militias maintain a fake media distance, and the increasing Ukrainian shelling of donbass in months prior to the invasion is the definition of ever-escalating crisis

All 3 of these assertions are exaggerations

Um no, not with the numbers of equipment losses provided by Israeli intelligence two weeks ago, 6,000 tank losses in under a year is equivalent to three Ukrainian militaries in the years prior to the invasion

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Servant of the People, a liberal/centrist party, won a supermajority in the last of both presidential and parliamentary elections. Freedom and Right Sector did not even make the top 5 parties/candidates.

Certainly lots of things went out the window when a hawkish US regime came to power and started provoking a contest. But that was in 2021. Whatever Zelensky saod yesterday was in 2023, not in the early stages of his presidency in 2019-20 that I was making a point about.

There’s no need to cherry-pick about how many tanks constitute a military (or even worse, that Donbass is more defensible than Crimea or Ivano-Frankivsk). What I’m saying is that there is an implicit agreement, between the state apparata and ruling classes of the US and Russia, to sacrifice Ukrainians in a race to seize land and resources and markets. The Ukrainians do not deserve the bulk of the blame for their own suffering; that bulk is due to NATO.

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Servant of the people passed anti-russian language laws

Servant of the people allowed neo-nazis militias to intergrate into the military

Servant of people mps gave regular speeches assuring that Crimea would be reconquered

Servant of the people continued the forced disappearances of ethnic Russians in donbass

Liberal and centrist can mean alot of things, but just buying wholesale into the nonsense framing of a radical coup government that only “looks” tame compared to actual insane nazis is a pretty interesting position for people on the left to hold

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That liberal/centrist party is bankrolled by the the same guy that bankrolls the Azov Battalion. Zelenskyy serves the fascists who rule the state. Get real lib

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You mean to tell me that capitalists would do such a thing as funding multiple rival political parties?

Next thing I know you’ll be telling me they financed both sides of WW2.

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