Comment by Icarium [comrade/them]@hexbear.net on :yea:

seriously my friends tell me to watch a bunch of shows and so fuckin many of them are obnoxiously pervy right out the gate :stalin-stressed:

People who say this clearly don’t watch anime, there are tons of good shows that don’t do this.

:jesse-wtf: rephrase that? Don’t get what you mean.

Oh, I can see how I came off like that. Sorry. My intent was to say that people who only watch normie shit (normie by anime standards) say this. If you watch actually good stuff the issue is not present. Ignore what r/anime watchers recommend and you’d have no clue loli shit exists. Saying anime is all noncery is just redditors outing themselves.

normie shit (normie by anime standards)

Normie anime shit by Japanese standards is basically all the shit that they used to show on Westoid TV anyway. If you look up movie box office charts for anime films the top 10 is almost always full of the latest Pokémon, Dragon Ball, Naruto, Doraemon, etc film.

By the standards of most of Japanese society, being into the shows that westoid anime weebs are into would mark someone as a weird Otaku.

Even outside that in adult anime. Gundam Wing, the old Hellsing series etc I can’t recall too much wierd shit. Heero and Relena have wierd vibes but they’re supposed to have wierd vibes.

Yeah for real. Either people are only watching the shit that creepy weebs are pushing or they think that sexualization of minors is when minors exist and the more minors there are the more sexualized they are.

You don’t have to hand it to them but even in r/anime some of the shit is controversial e.g Made in abyss. There is definitely also some hopelessly outdated notion that weebs are still 2000’s nerd with glass type people that are constantly obsessed with porn.

Your 12yo sister that watched Demon slayer would be considered a “weeb”.

Oh yeah don’t get me wrong, there’s some really fucked up shit in the anime medium. The problem is that most Western discourse about anime treats it like one coherent body of work when it’s really just a medium.

Everyone can understand that My Little Pony and Rick and Morty aren’t the same kind of media, or that the latest family friendly Marvel movie isn’t the same as Cannibal Holocaust, so I think people need to put more effort into not always lumping all anime together.

Also, I think the definition of Weeb has changed a lot. Same as how Star Wars and comic book movies used to be “nerd shit” not too long ago, Anime has gone mainstream.

One of the most normie gym bro I’ve worked with has a full back tattoo of Ashoka Tano and owned a storm trooper armour. And he is a father of two pushing 40. The way that it has become normalised is kind of nuts.

The fact that there are anime fans when it isn’t a genre may speak more about anime fans.

Fr Fr, just said something similar

I watch a fair amount of anime and I still give most of my recommendations with the disclaimer “but there’s some sexualization of underage characters you’ll have to ignore”

It’s not an overblown issue

Watch better shows? It’s not hard to avoid if you simply don’t watch mainstream shonen trash.

It is hard to avoid even if you don’t watch mainstream shonen trash. No need to get so weirdly hostile in defense of your treats. Separate your media interests from your sense of identity. A criticism of media you like is not an attack on you.

Idk what you’re on about tbh. It’s genuinely been a decade at least since I’ve seen a show with loli shit. I’m not being hostile, you are just projecting your own poor taste into everyone who watches anime. It says a lot about you that you think loli shit is common.

I think you could listen more to other people’s perspectives and judging from anime toplists it is a serious problem.

That you found anime you don’t find anything (serious) wrong with is good for you, but in the thread LotGH was recommended and that has a number of serious problems as well.

If it is so easy I would like to give you the burden of proof though and give us up to a dozen of anime in which what you write is rare doesn’t happen. If you can try to keep them somewhat popular.

“Give us a dozen” lmao

Even if you were right (you’re not) the fact that practically all mainstream anime sexualizes children is still a problem worth talking about

And the problem is that most sexualization of minors in anime these days isn’t even considered “loli shit.” Most of these shows are about high schoolers which are broadly sexualized in all media, not just anime.

Even if you were right (you’re not) the fact that practically all mainstream anime sexualizes children is still a problem worth talking about

This comment is the embodiment of their OP. Nothing else needs to be said.

Someone else posted a parody here which sounds appropriate “sexualization is when there are high school characters and the more high school characters there are the more sexualized it is”.

Also its even funnier considering the meme at the top. You can name 20-30-40 anime over the past decade and someone will still come and post “practicaly all anime” as if its even remotely true based on numbers alone.

I would push back, and say you’re wrong, on most anime sexualizes children. Again, if you think that’s true it says more about what you personally watch than anything else.

I watch a fair amount of anime and I still give most of my recommendations with the disclaimer “but there’s some sexualization of underage characters you’ll have to ignore”

:cringe:

I would simply not give such a recommendation

The weeb brigade is here to imply I’m a bad person for recognizing the rampant sexualization of minors in anime, great.

As soon as I saw the ratio of this post I knew the weebs were here to defend their waifus

In saying that I have watched plenty of good anime lol

Awesome to see chapo.chat going from “don’t be defensive” to “oh god oh help me they are attacking me”.

It all started with someone simply saying “its easy to avoid just pick better stuff”. That is a siberian winter take at best.

You probably need to read more on this website. Many people posting in this thread already had a number of posts over the bad issues in anime elsewhere in the past. Stop making a strawman when literally nobody here denies anime has bad stuff in it. You are not in fact in r/anime.

However you want a hill to die on, apparently everything is bad including the mainstream stuff(I’d say the mainstream stuff is actualy the most innofensive but anyway), sorry but its on you. You are allowed to have your opinion. Just don’t expect others to agree.

There is no discourse here, only someone looking for a hill to die on. Pick better stuff. I can make a MAL list if you want.

Awesome to see chapo.chat going from “don’t be defensive” to “oh god oh help me they are attacking me”.

I’m not chapo.chat, I’m just a person.

And they literally did attack me. That’s what “stop telling on yourself” means. They are implying negative things about me in the very comment I replied to. I wasn’t being vague, I was directly responding to the contents of the comment.

Stop making a strawman

A strawman is when you directly reply to the things other people are saying?

However you want a hill to die on, apparently everything is bad including the mainstream stuff

Again, I’m not even the one who said that. I was responding to someone who said that all the sexualization of minors takes place in “mainstream shonen trash.” Not my words.

I’m not chapo.chat, I’m just a person.

And they literally did attack me. That’s what “stop telling on yourself” means. They are implying negative things about me in the very comment I replied to. I wasn’t being vague, I was directly responding to the contents of the comment.

Pretty sure it all started with this

It is hard to avoid even if you don’t watch mainstream shonen trash. No need to get so weirdly hostile in defense of your treats. Separate your media interests from your sense of identity. A criticism of media you like is not an attack on you.

Your strawman is

I’m a bad person for recognizing the rampant sexualization of minors in anime

You should know better, don’t make these types of generalizations when people here are the exact opposite. You were rambling about the “weeb brigade” so not even one specific poster.

What the fuck is wrong with you?

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