Like, it’s probably more noticeable that you don’t have any romantic or sexual relationships than it would be if you don’t have any true, close, platonic connections. Romantic and sexual relationships have things that are very obvious and for the most part, exclusive to them, such as kissing, making out, sex, etc. Platonic relationships that are true and close are not as visible, they’re more feelings on the inside (not to say that there’s none of those feelings involved with romantic and sexual relationships). If you look exclusively at the activities done with a platonic friendship, it’s not very different from an acquaintanceship, or an activity partner.

I’ve met people who claim they have friends, but they’re just coworkers they talk to a bit, guys they play games with, or guys they see at the sports bar a lot. Not people who actually support each other or any true connection. Now granted, there’s nothing wrong with having those acquaintanceships or activity partners, and it can be argued that they’re necessary for a fulfilling life, but they’re not the same as a true connection or friendship. If you’ve never had that or hadn’t had it in a while, it can be hard to tell what that feels like.

The only way to make these connections is through social skills, which a lot of people lack. They lack social skills, so they don’t make connections, platonic or romantic. Since romantic and sexual connections have more exclusive activities, it’s more easy to notice them than the lack of true friends. So I’m wondering if all this talk about the lack of romance and sex is really just poor social skills.

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They’re dating older people?

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Women date older guys and younger guys tend to fuck around. Its pretty standard for guys that aren’t super into romance to fuck around for their entirety of their early 20s and only get serious later on.

I think the average age gap is around three years, with the man being older. And younger women are more than willing to have a relationship with a guy a few years older that has his life more put together than men around her age.

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it SUCKS I don’t want to date an undergrad they’re idiots

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yeah, i remember reading through the study when it first came out and the whole thing was structured poorly.

I don’t remember enough about it at this point to say more, but I distinctly flagged it as not being meaningful research.

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They double up on the few available desirable men.

That’s one thing that makes incels so bitter and angry: knowing for a fact that women would rather volunteer to be part of a harem than have anything to do with them. That has to hurt, right in the soul.

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If you’re in that 60 percent, just know it’s not just you. There’s something bigger going on.

doesn’t make me feel better. I’m nearly suicidal about this shit.

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:meow-hug:

I’m sorry. Being alone is an awful feeling. I hope you can hang in there but believe me, I have sympathy for that feeling.

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Thanks. But I will not forget about it. I’m almost 33 years old and never had a relationship or a FWB or even any hint of romance or interest from a woman, and I see no end to this shit in sight.

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you will forget all about it.

people need to fucking stop with the empty platitudes. holy shit dude we’re alone all the time, there’s no forgetting.

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It sounds sappy and cliche but you really do need to learn to love yourself before you can properly love someone else. Be kind to yourself. Believe in yourself enough to know that in time, you can find someone to love, and who loves you for you.

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you really do need to learn to love yourself before you can properly love someone else.

I don’t believe that – or the similar one that says that nobody will love you if you don’t love yourself

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nah that’s bullshit and you should stop saying it. I care more about others than i do about myself.

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well if 60 pct of men are like me and my girlfriend just threw them out, that would explain it.

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if I remember right, that study had some flawed structure in how it asked about relationship status. men were more likely to avoid putting a label on things or something idk

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I still don’t know how that could result in almost double the difference on top of the fact that it still would mean like 1/3 men in their 20s don’t consider themselves in relationships but are having some amount of sex, while women are also having sex with these men but think they are in a relationship?

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yeah idk, I read through it a while ago and i forget why exactly it got fucky, but the methodology was off. It’s since been picked up by MRAs as one of their talking points so I’m always :fry: when I see it mentioned lol

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if it’s the same one yeah it was men saying they weren’t in committed relationships while women were, and the age gap thing because late 20s women were surveyed but a lot lot of them would be with men in their early or mid 30s not being surveyed

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