Permanently Deleted
but still a terrible policy made by bigots
At its peak Xinjiang was seeing a terror attack in the form of a mass bombing or mass shooting (often at train stations) twice a month. 15-30 people would die in each of these attacks.
This has nothing to do with islamophobia. It has everything to do with extremist islam that was imported by CIA operating over the border in Afghanistan.
Before you get in a spin over what the Chinese did in this region it is essential to look at why they approached the problem in this region in this way by familiarising yourself with the history, the conditions and the threat they were facing.
You can not make this kind of claim with no sourcing and also this one
People that were following events at the time can remember it. I will try to provide some perspective on this, but my list will not include everything, I don’t have an existing list of events that is exhaustive and I hope you can understand that searches for anything about Xinjiang and China are completely polluted by utter garbage to the point that searching for this shit is near impossible. With that said I think I can cover enough to make it visible how serious things were getting at the start of crackdowns.
January 2014, 11 militants dead in attempt to cross Kyrgyzstan border gone wrong
March 2014Multiple attackers with knives. 29 dead at a train station. 137 injured
April 20147 killed in shootout attempting to cross the border with weapons.
April 2014 (2 weeks later) Bombing and knife attack at railway station in Xinjiang. 3 killed, 79 injured.
May 2014 A few weeks later, 2 car bombings on markets, killed 43, injured 90
July 2014 37 killed by gang with knives and axes in Xinjiang
September 2014 50 killed in series of multiple attacks (archive link for RFA fed written articles, unfortunately the best I can find with the shit way google works)
October 2014 22 farmers killed in attack (this article also talks about some other attacks 2 days beforehand, gives some idea of what kind of things I’ve missed or not been able to find dedicated articles for, this stuff was easier to follow in real-time than it is to research now)
November 2014 15 killed in another attack
This is far from exhaustive. This is a mentally exhausting topic to research and I hope you’ll forgive me for not really going the full length to show just how fucking bad things were. Consider these some of the big ones, the easiest to find in each month, but there were many more peppered in between them.
This is what caused China to go into a mega crackdown on the region. Roadblocks, mass surveillance and police-state shit. Fuck loads of people were dying and the CIA work to pour these islamic fundamentalist separatists over the border from Afghanistan was genuinely causing an enormous issue.
What followed this was several years of increasing their infrastructure to crack down on the region very hard. Followed by the final re-education program that involved some 1-2 million people undergoing the compulsory education programs 5 days per week (allowed to go home on weekends).
This is what put a stop to the violence, and it was this final program that led to America no longer having any purpose for being in Afghanistan anymore, their ability to stoke extremism in the region had finally been completely eliminated. It took considerable time to build up to that though, the important year that began the process was the enormous violence of 2014.
You keep acting like it’s unfair that people aren’t providing you with sourcing in every disagreeing reply that informs you of context you were clearly unaware of before posting a problematic NGO’s speculative media campaign.
This is Reddit brain. This exact thing right here. Look at it, criticize it, and consider that we are comrades, not walking Wikipedias or servants or enemies. In a normal conversation, what would you expect from a person disagreeing with you? Do they need to remember the book and page number where Lenin said X or Y? Where Goldman said A or B? Where imperialists supported a given genocide?
I will also point out that when it comes to posting propaganda against the empire’s primary targets, it’s really your job, not anyone else’s, to know the context and meaning behind it. If you don’t want to put in the work to understand, you can always just not post the propaganda. It’s a good rule of thumb to not post such things until you’re ready for a well-grounded criticism session and know exactly what the goal of it is. By default, Westerners will tend to be chauvinists and hypocrites, so the most likely outcome of a poorly-supported criticism will be them agreeing to violence against the empire’s designated enemies and to feed the ongoing escalatory public sphere towards those designated enemies.
“Cite your sources” requires a level of trust that most people haven’t earned with me. If I do go to the work of citing widely known facts, I had better not get a knee-jerk rejection when I come back with points.
I’ve cited sources when I got similar requests. I’ve sometimes crafted detailed responses detailing them point by point. And I’ve been burned again and again. Unless I already trust you, or you have made a good argument refuting the claims as a better and more complete version, I don’t feel obligated to do as you say.
People who demand evidence for things they already know to be true are usually arguing in bad faith. Would you demand somebody send you a peer reviewed study proving that not everyone likes chocolate chip cookies?
