The book suggests that the defining problem driving out most people who leave is … just how American life works in the 21st century. Contemporary America simply isn’t set up to promote mutuality, care, or common life. Rather, it is designed to maximize individual accomplishment as defined by professional and financial success. Such a system leaves precious little time or energy for forms of community that don’t contribute to one’s own professional life or, as one ages, the professional prospects of one’s children. Workism reigns in America, and because of it, community in America, religious community included, is a math problem that doesn’t add up.

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Dawkins is a reactionary who doesn’t understand basic evopsych. He doesn’t even believe in epigenetic factors affecting gene expression. Further, Dawkins has never addressed any type of Christianity besides a childish cartoonish caricature of fundamentalism, which none of us here ascribe to. Also, I’d like to point out that the word “homosexuality” was edited into the Bible; it replaced the word “pedophilia.” Jesus doesn’t hate gay people. But coming here to call us cringe says you’re probably young, so just consider that you might not know everything comrade.

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While there is nothing explicit in the New Testament about homosexuality, there is substantial evidence that the sins for which Soddom and Gomorrah are punished in the Hebrew Bible / Old Testament do indeed have to do with sexual deviancy, including same-sex sexual behaviour. Jesus as a person seems to be a different matter, but I’m uncomfortable when people present these texts as if they don’t in fact contain examples of God expliciting condemning certain harmless sexual behaviours while also condoning when appropriate slavery, genocide and sexual violence.

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You’re right about the OT. I thought some theologians had reasoned that Soddom and Gommorah were destroyed because of rape and violence, but maybe that’s not true? Im not a fan of the OT anyway, but it does have important stories in it. But you’re right about the condoning of genocide, slavery, etc. Like when Noah condemns his son Lot to 5 generations of slavery. That’s just evil. So, in my confusion with the OT God who seems to make mistakes and blame us for them, I really like to stick to what Jesus said in the Gospels. What do you think this disconnect between the OT and NT means?

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