I think we can agree that they both steal and accuse each other. Why wouldn’t they?
Yes, and I support China stealing whatever it deems productive it steal in terms of IP from the US. The point is that there’s a trope about China only being able to make knock-offs and only having the success it has from stealing which is ultimately a chauvinist caricature.
It’s a jingoistic caricature. I’m not informed enough to know the difference what the difference between standards are for products of the two countries.
I do agree there is a common sentiment that Chinese products are inferior to their American counterparts. If China or the USA want to steal product specs from each other to make better products that we end up buying, cool. I’d rather buy better products and I’m sure you would too.
I was coming at it more from the standpoint that undercutting the US by taking its IP (i.e. not actually impoverishing members of the general population) is a good thing for the world, but your point is also fair.
I do agree there is a common sentiment that Chinese products are inferior to their American counterparts
Which products? China has made serious strides in manufacturing quality over the last few decades. But they do produce most of the cheaper products as well. I’m not disagreeing with you that is the sentiment in the USA.
Right, every country and company engages in tech espionage. Yet, a lot of people in the west pretend as if China is some unique outlier in that regard.
I understand that the pro China sentiments are strong here and I’m going to be downvoted. I live in the DC area and people around here are aware that everyone is involved in espionage. Russia does it all the time too.
No one believes that china is the only one doing this. Their capacity to do so may be stronger than most countries (same with USA)
It’s always going to be an issue for every advanced country.
I’m not really sure what point you’re trying to make here. Yes, every country spies to the best of their capacity, that’s the nature of the game. While no sane person believes that China is the only one doing this, we constantly get media stories framed that way and there are a lot of mouth breathers running around screeching that China steals western tech. I think the only actual issue is the existence of copyrights and intellectual property. These stand directly in the way of human advancement and should be abolished.
The reason you’re getting downvoted is probably more of a reflex than anything else. We get a lot of concern trolls here who love to sealion and generally be obnoxious and annoying.
Just be sure to actually listen to what we have to say (you don’t need to change you mind though) and respond appropriately and you’ll be fine. If you just talk past us and accuse us of things we don’t actually believe, yeah, you’re going to get downvotes, same as if you tried that on any social media platform.
I understand that the pro China sentiments are strong here and I’m going to be downvoted
Hexbear doesn’t have downvotes, so you’ll just get a bit of flak from the much less active lemmygrad (no shade to them)
The difference is the U.S. started it, and for no real legitimate reason, other than profit and domination. When China does it, it’s revenge/retribution/just desserts.
