Hexbear

2 points

1 year ago

The cotton workers and the train workers should seize the means of production via their democracy. If they don’t have a democracy, they should perform a revolution to establish one.

Referring to a revolution by the people as authoritarian is like saying the oppression of a king is freedom. It doesn’t make sense under closer observation. Using force to achieve freedom does not invalidate that freedom. Once the revolution has been won, the people rule themselves. Any authority over them is a temporary construct of their own making that can be removed and replaced.

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ThereRisesARedStar [she/her, they/them]@hexbear.net

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7 points

1 year ago

I completely agree, do you see why I linked it in response to the use of authoritarian?

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1 point

1 year ago

Not really, sorry. It’s legit going over my head. =(

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ThereRisesARedStar [she/her, they/them]@hexbear.net

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8 points

1 year ago

Authority isn’t necessarily bad. For example, suppressing the free speech and ability to congregate for nazis is good.

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1 point

1 year ago

I think hate speech, threatening violence against another person based on inherent characteristics or for any reason really, should not be allowed. Nor should people be allowed to storm the capital to stop the peaceful transfer of power. Other than that though I think people deserve free speech and freedom of assembly even if I disagree with the speech or reason for assembly. Nazis tend to say a lot of hate speech and storm the capital so it isn’t really necessary or good to make an exception for them specifically.

I’m not interested in proactively suppressing Nazis, as that would make us no different than them. To put it another way, I’m not interested in rounding people up solely based on their political views. I am for punishing Nazi’s for their hate speech and insurrection. I think there should be consequences for actions and hate speech. I am also for educating people and getting Fox News off the air.

The authority vested in democratic leaders is ephemeral enough that it is the only desirable form of authority. At the end of the day, it’s the people who rule, not their leaders. By comparison the authority that dictators wield is very enduring and hard to get rid of. They make every decision and the dictators’ egos are what everyone around them has to be loyal to.

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ThereRisesARedStar [she/her, they/them]@hexbear.net

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9 points

1 year ago

I’m not interested in proactively suppressing Nazis, as that would make us no different than them.

No, the people who suppressed nazi sympathizers during ww2 are not the same as people committing the holocaust. Nazis weren’t bad just because they targeted their political enemies. I would recommend reading blackshirts and reds and then the economics and class structure of german fascism.

The authority vested in democratic leaders is ephemeral enough that it is the only desirable form of authority. At the end of the day, it’s the people who rule, not their leaders.

All these “authoritarian” socialist societies had democracies. They are more democratic than any western democracy. Look at how Cuba’s family code was drafted before it passed by referendum.

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1 point

1 year ago

No, the people who suppressed nazi sympathizers during ww2 are not the same as people committing the holocaust.

The Allies were fighting a war against the Axis powers. While the Nazis rounded up civilians for all kind of reasons, including political views.

We aren’t in a civil war in America right now. There is no basis to take action against modern fascists outside of the numerous acts of domestic terrorism they commit. Rounding up fascists solely based on their political views make us like the Nazis and is unbecoming of any free society.

All these “authoritarian” socialist societies had democracies.

Not the USSR, China, or North Korea which is what I was referring to by authoritarian communists.

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