imagine actually reading marx and understanding how he literally wrote an essay about how marxism is not utopian

You’re not gonna find any utopian communists on hexbear, they’re almost all marxists.

https://hexbear.net/comment/2175192

Putin does not care about the well-being of Ukrainian citizens

Of course not, he has never. He is acting in self-interest because Ukraine and the US are escalating violence. Do you remember the lethal aid Biden sent? Where do you think that lethal aid went? Who do you think it was shot at?

we’re teetering on Putin apologia and sharing RT news uncritically.

Putin is a corrupt bastard. I think many on this site cannot tell the difference between not viewing him as satanic vs licking his boot. I wasn’t going to try to argue this until your post came up.

https://hexbear.net/comment/290125

So, China is clearly better than the US, considering that workers in BRI countries complain about price dumping, but countries in the American sphere complain about death squads. That said, we need to listen to workers and socialists who aren’t in power. The NPA says they’re getting shot with Chinese bullets. Workers in China still go on strike. Class struggle still exists in China, even if the state and party buffer it.

in case you needed a reminder that Putin is in fact a bad person (58 upvotes, 1 year ago)

Fuck off and stop lying.

Weren’t you just about to give us examples of evil tankies?

The term (or the term whataboutery, which it emerged from) was originally used by pro-British newspapers during the troubles to complain that when people would whine about IRA activities others would respond by pointing out that their direct opposition, the British, were committing atrocities.

It’s always been a tool for Western hegemony to avoid criticism and accusations of hypocrisy.

I see, my mistake, though from a descriptivist standpoint a meaning that a word long-since lost and one that it never had are virtually the same thing on a functional level

You can speak for us comrade @Zuzak@hexbear.net

Stop using we. And us. You are not a representative of every communist. Lol

I’m not claiming to be. I am, however, a member of the online community that you’re insulting with claims that you know to be false.

Sankara was ML, like me and all the people you’re calling “tankies” or “authoritarian” communists

We’ve read plenty of Sankara, time you to to read a little Jakarta Method

This was another very difficult question I had to ask my interview subjects, especially the leftists from Southeast Asia and Latin America. When we would get to discussing the old debates between peaceful and armed revolution; between hardline Marxism and democratic socialism, I would ask:

“Who was right?”

In Guatemala, was it Árbenz or Che who had the right approach? Or in Indonesia, when Mao warned Aidit that the PKI should arm themselves, and they did not? In Chile, was it the young revolutionaries in the MIR who were right in those college debates, or the more disciplined, moderate Chilean Communist Party?

Most of the people I spoke with who were politically involved back then believed fervently in a nonviolent approach, in gradual, peaceful, democratic change. They often had no love for the systems set up by people like Mao. But they knew that their side had lost the debate, because so many of their friends were dead. They often admitted, without hesitation or pleasure, that the hardliners had been right. Aidit’s unarmed party didn’t survive. Allende’s democratic socialism was not allowed, regardless of the détente between the Soviets and Washington.

Looking at it this way, the major losers of the twentieth century were those who believed too sincerely in the existence a liberal international order, those who trusted too much in democracy, or too much in what the United States said it supported, rather than what it really supported—what the rich countries said, rather than what they did. That group was annihilated.

What is “authoritarian” communism? Sounds like some political compass bullshit that doesn’t exist in the real world.

Yeah it comes from a disagreement amoung British socialists between people who correctly supported the USSR committing military force to safeguard Hungary from a coup, and some libs who were against it

We aren’t uncritical of the USSR, China, and the DPRK, we just think they broadly did (and do) much more good than bad.

Also, “CCP” isn’t a country or even a party (CPC), it’s China or the PRC. I assume when you say “Russia” you mean the Soviet Union that hasn’t existed in thirty years as Russia is a capitalist country now.

what

I think that authoritarian is a basically meaningless term when applied to a states.

All states are in the business of using lethal violence, or the threat of it at least, to enforce their rule within their borders.

Is whether or not something is “authoritarian” to you simply determined by vibes, or is it actual actions? By all measures, you should hate Sankara as well. Be consistent.

Then why are you telling communist to read about Sankara, a figure we already know and love

What do you think about Bakunin?

Im not a communist, i am a

I wonder if any other countries had to deal with corruption after the revolution…

Statists using tribunals to try other statists is the use of state authority and the use of the state’s monopoly on the legitimate use of force. If “Authoritarian” means anything at all then using the power of the state to prosecute people who are doing state stuff in ways you don’t like is authoritarian.

I don’t care if you call me tankie

You engage when i call you a -ass word tankie