Comment by LittleLordLimerick@lemm.ee on Remember me comrades!

Modern day China is both capitalist and emperialist and has a disregard for basic human rights. It is not in any way shape or form a communist state. Oh, and it actively tries to censor and erase the fact that it ran down its own citizens with tanks.

How is China imperialist? The other stuff you’re saying us wrong too, but i know the propaganda you will point to to get there. But imperialist? You mean Belt and Road? Building hospitals in Africa?

What do you think happened at Tienanmen Square? Because you might want to figure that out before you start grinning like a moron while asking a Chinese person about “how awful what happened at Tienanmen Square was”.

Not at Tienanmen Square. Confirmed by western reporters at the scene along with contemporary US diplomatic cables later leaked by Wikileaks. Western media is really attached to that image of the guy in front of a tank, so everyone just pretends it was the site of a mass murder. Really odd.

While we’re on the subject of propaganda: what was it that made you believe China “ran down its own citizens with tanks”? What is the actual source of this belief.

“I saw a picture of a man in front of a tank, and we all know how evil chinese people are, so it’s not hard to figure out what happened.”

That’s my assumption, yes.

Let’s start with Tibet.

You mean the theocratic slaver state of Tibet that was liberated by the PLA? That’s a fine place to start to show that you are just another western left anti-communist.

Edit: I’d recommend Blackshirts and Reds to understand the phenomenon of left anti-communism in the West. If you’re serious about communism, it might help you understand the rift driven between you and the people you call “tankies” https://mltheory.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/michael-parenti-blackshirts-and-reds_-rational-fascism-and-the-overthrow-of-communism-2001.pdf

I will check out the book. I’ve been wrong about plenty of things before, so always willing to learn

Cool. It was one i found very clarifying when i was trying to learn more about AES and sort through the reality of those countries as opposed to the Western version of them

Download it to my phone. Will read on the bus tomorrow

Yes yes yes, China freed and liberated Tibet by taking it over. Of course. Nothing imperialist about that.

Just like the US has been liberating and freeing all those people in the middle east.

There’s a big a difference between the two actions. Let’s start with the US. They “liberate” Iraq and Afghanistan and proceed to extract value out of the country. Byzantine networks of private contractor orgs: Haliburton, KBR, Blackwater all making money, along with the military industrial profiteer complex. These countriee were hollowed out for profit and foreign extraction. US empire nakedly acts to make money for the ruling class.

Now, where is that in Tibet? Where is the capitalist extraction? Where is the hollowing out and using up of resources? People in Tibet are now freer, and better educated, and live better lives now than when they were slaves to the lamas. Its not cynical double speak to call what happened in Tibet liberation the way the US government claimed to he liberating Iraq. They freed an enslaved people, that’s not an act of imperialism just because it involved an army. An army literally named the People’s Liberation Army

You think that China does not extract any economic value out of Tibet? That’s pure naivete.

The victorious imperialists ALWAYS claim that their subjugation of another is to the benefit of that other nations. Always.

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Do you see how dishonest it is to claim that even slightly criticism of China is forbidden on Hexbear and then when the person speaks to you offers substantial criticism, your counterpoint is that we disagree when you say extremely bad shit about China?

What is a slightly negative thing about China that you feel you couldn’t share on hexbear.net?

Listen, yes, I do see that I’m being unfair and dishonest. I tend to pop off without thinking

Kind of rude of you to agree with me

Yeah looking at your other comments mine was uncalled for.

And other unsourced, unsupported, and racist claims, presented by your local liberal.

Any sources that I provide will be dismissed as western propoganda.

Its not our fault if the information you believe is Western propoganda

I mean it kind of is you guys need to do a better job with the propagandizing.

fair point. Its really hard to compete with the US when it comes to propaganda, though

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