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Also a fracture in the world order with other agreements in doubt, US not considered an honest broker, ect.

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There are centuries of evidence that the U.S. is not an honest broker (look at our treaty history with Native Americans). This would have made no difference.

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While it is true that you can search back in our internal history to find examples of bad deals, it is also true on the international stage the US has a long history of peace, trade, treaty, ect. Deals that have stood the test of time. Of course there are exceptions, like Trump pulling out of the Iran agreement. Which resulted in putting us and the world in an uncertain place. But, by and large, a security agreement for instance, with the US is something other countries want.

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the US has a long history of peace, trade, treaty, ect.

We’ve been at war for something like 250 of our years of existence. We invaded all our continental neighbors, most of Latin America, plus Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Grenada, Panama, etc. in living memory.

The trade deals we sign are often at gunpoint (see “gunboat diplomacy,” the opening of Japan, our history of coup attempts against countries that don’t run their economies on our terms, constant sanctions, etc.).

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Remember when Gaddafi got rid of his nukes in an act of goodwill towards the West, and then later the US didn’t give a fuck and NATO destroyed Libya, bringing open air slave markets to the country? I’m guessing you don’t.

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the U.S. has a long history of peace

The U.S. hasn’t been at peace for a single day since WW2 lol

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