I’m from Buenos Aires and I say kill them all.
Democrats, for as shitty as they are on imperialism, haven’t been responsible for a full-scale invasion since Vietnam.
So we just gonna ignore Libya, Syria and Yemen? Literally all in the top five imperial disasters of the 21st century
So we just gonna ignore Libya, Syria and Yemen?
None of those were invasions on the order of Afghanistan or Iraq. Invading and occupying a country is a lot more destructive and kills a lot more people than helping one side in a civil war.
For example, take Libya. The upper range of estimates of the deaths caused by the 2011 fighting are around 25,000, and the figure for the current fighting is less than 10,000. Combine those numbers and assume they undercounted the death toll by a factor of ten. That would be 350,000 deaths, which is significantly less than the 2.4 million Iraqis we’ve killed.
It’s also worth noting that Democrats tried to end our support for Saudi Arabia’s actions in Yemen, but they didn’t have the votes to override Trump’s veto. Democrats do sometimes find themselves in a decent position on military action; Republicans almost never do. Democrats at least occasionally have anti-war sentiment; Republicans fall in line behind whatever imperial excursions the State Department can dream up.
The casualties of the Libyan war extend far past 2011, like wtf kind of garbage wikipedia article is that, completely arbitrary end date
And I’m not comparing the casualties of the Iraq war, in terms of the top five it’s right there at number one (I never claimed otherwise), while also being a war continued and supported by democrats, I’m debunking the bizarre statement that Democrats haven’t been responsible for the outright invasions of multiple countries by groups armed, funded, trained and supported by the United States military
It’s also worth noting that Democrats tried to end our support for Saudi Arabia’s actions in Yemen
Four years too late, are you really gonna give democrats points for that partisan motivated shit? The war started in 2015, you know perfectly well who was in charge at that time
And then there’s the Syrian war…
The greatest imperial disasters of the 21st century are
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Iraq
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The Congo wars
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Syria
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Yemen
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Libya
Democrats are responsible for 3 out of 5
like wtf kind of garbage wikipedia article is that, completely arbitrary end date
Note the second link, which includes events from 2014-present. I don’t know why they divided the pages up the way they did, but they’re not just ignoring everything post-2011.
I’m debunking the bizarre statement that Democrats haven’t been responsible for the outright invasions of multiple countries by groups armed, funded, trained and supported by the United States military
I never claimed that. I’m talking about the U.S. launching a full-scale invasion of other countries, and yes, no Democrat has come particularly close to that since LBJ half a century ago. If you want to talk about anyone the U.S. has ever sold arms to or given training to, that’s a worthwhile conversation, but the U.S. is less responsible for an invasion carried out by another country than it is for an invasion carried out by the U.S. If I shoot someone, I’m directly responsible for killing them. If I sell you a gun and you shoot someone, I have some responsibility, but it’s less than if I carried out the act myself.
Four years too late
Ever heard the saying “better late than never”? If Democrats do something decent four years too late, and Republicans would never do the decent thing, it’s a no-brainer who’s better, even if they both suck.
Democrats are responsible for 3 out of 5
While we’re talking about responsibility, the conflicts in Syria, Yemen, and Libya all started with significant internal strife. Not some trumped up Juan Guaido opposition; real dissatisfaction with the government that boiled over into more serious violence than the U.S. is seeing now. In each situation the U.S. arguably made things worse (although how good of an argument that is varies by conflict), but the people of those countries are not just neutral parties the U.S. acted upon. The U.S. (and Democrats specifically) should bear some responsibility for where those countries are now, but laying the whole situation at our door isn’t any more accurate than buying into the “humanitarian intervention” line.
