Total exceptions? No. But many states still allow people to get reduced sentences via the gay panic defense for killing LGBTQ people. That, and some politicians are encouraging hate crimes against them with hateful rhetoric about them being “groomers” and whatnot.

But many states still allow people to get reduced sentences via the gay panic defense for killing LGBTQ people.

You say that like it’s explicitly allowed by the state. It isn’t. It’s a legal defense lawyers use in court. Whether or not it’s legitimate is determined by a jury.

You say that like it’s explicitly allowed by the state.

It is. Keeping it a valid legal defense is a policy choice. Some states banned it, they chose to. Other states have not, they decided not to. That’s politics.

But it’s not a valid legal defense. You cannot ban a lawyer from putting it forward as a legal defense.

You literally can, just like any number of other valid bases for objections to arguments put forward. If the judge rules it to be such a defense, it would be struck from the record and the jury instructed to disregard it, and if the lawyer keeps on it, they would be held in contempt of court. Furthermore, if it is plainly a case of such a defense and the judge lets it fly, the prosecution can claim mistrial.

Perhaps there are other ways of banning it, but that is the obvious one in the American framework.

Except you actually can, and many states have

You need to learn that whether something is explicit or not doesn’t matter as much as what is happening in effect.

But that “effect” has nothing to do with the US…

Yes, because no jury members live in the US corporate media ecosystem which pushes vile transphobia constantly with the support of the US government.

There are no jury members outside the US? That’s your position?

You aren’t able to read a one sentence reply? Is that your position?

Or is it that you dont want to engage with the content and are just saying bullshit instead of being thoughtful?

gAy PaNiC is never legitimate.

Tell that to the jury. What are you expecting to happen?

the state, inside and outside courtrooms, to shut down hate crimes.

Well that’s a very easy thing to say but I’m afraid you’re going to have to be more specific.

funny how we can defend property through a system of laws and enforcement but that’s not specific enough to stop hate crimes

I’ll tell em you’re gay and I panicked

If you don’t have any interest in a good faith discussion, you can just go ahead and stop replying to me please.

Good faith? I’m sorry, could you be more specific? What do you mean?

good faith is being obtuse

Wow, it is almost like a place where juries let people off on the gay panic defense is a place that is unsafe to be as a trans person.

weird how “gay panic” is a defense allowed by the courts, but an appeal to jury nullification is not.

Do other countries not have juries?

Some other countries (and just a couple US states) explicitly ban the gay panic defense.

Are other countries juries exposed to our media ecosystem (in the same way) which the US government supports and which pushes vile transphobia constantly?

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