THROWBACK cross-post from: https://hexbear.net/post/49520
Seriously tho these people can’t be serious, right? Like this has to be a fucking op
just the fact that it is impossible to achieve in reality and historical or even anecdotal evidence supports this criticism.
What are you talking about? What experts?
Yes an extremely weak argument. Arguably not an argument. It’s one of those emotional truths that seem to just be accepted as fact nowadays.
My inherited experience is one of living in Ukraine in the Pale. Being victims of pogroms and extreme violence in the russian empire until the soviets came to power and afforded my family opportunities that they couldn’t have possibly dreamed of whilst living in extreme poverty in the Shtetl. Then having to deal with a bunch of nazis and nazi collaborator fucks for decades. That’s only on one side of my family which was lucky, by the way. The other side had huge portions killed because of said nazi collaborators. So who’s inherited experience is more valid?
Elevating a view point that is based on ignorance, vibes-based understanding of politics and economy, and–let’s be frank–lies with the express purpose of silencing dissenting opinions is, in fact, not respecting everyone’s experience. Sometimes certain voices need to shut the fuck up and listen to other’s experiences because what they believe to be true is just something absorbed through passive ideological osmosis.
You also speak as if I don’t frequently experience at least mild antisemitism when I express this perspective. I do, depending largely on where I am. A lot of people don’t care about bandera nazis in Ukraine currently, so pointing to this nazi history tends to spark a bad response.
hey hexers, you ever play “spot the the federated poster?” it’s a really simple game, you just look for the dumb takes and, bingo
I love how user reports from federated servers go straight into the file shredder.
IDK if you guys can see it but they also like to dehumanize children murdered by border patrol.
inherited experience seems more valid than no experience at all or knowledge procured from period literature allowed by the censors
Let me just clarify something
Are you asking if feels you have because of genetic ancestry count more than documentary evidence?
Because that’s fucking nuts. Bonko crazy.
Or perhaps by “inherited experience” you mean second hand anecdotes? You know that documentary evidence is legally admissible and hearsay is not and for a good reason right?
It’s because “my grandma once told me when I was young” is an atrociously unreliable source of evidence whereas contemporary records are a profoundly reliable source of evidence.
I don’t think many experts criticize the idea of communism - just the fact that it is impossible to achieve in reality and historical or even anecdotal evidence supports this criticism.
I mean the history of human civilization between the advent of class society and the 18th century also had no evidence to support the “real life” viability of liberal capitalist rule.
Even then, for the first century of its existence, if you consider the number of failed revolutions that saw re-establishment of monarchial/theocratic rule, its failure to liberate slaves, engaging in the same imperialist tendencies as feudal states, violently squashing dissent, the constant market crashes, the corruption of the ruling class, the failures of political leaders to adhere to the constitutional law that they themselves wrote etc…an observer living under a prospering monarchy in the 1800s could also very well say
Ha! Meet the new boss - same as the old boss.
Well yeah it sounds good on paper but doesn’t work in real life.
I’m not criticizing the idea of liberalism, it’s just that history shows that it always fails.
Then, when the old feudal powers, for a time, were able to innovate their structures to accommodate industrialization, (domestic) slavery abolition, and demands for suffrage, they might also also comment
See? The system works - just very slowly. We don’t need any revolutionary reconstitution of society that could jeopardize the current stability that is working in my favor
These traps of thought termination can be avoided by studying the dialectical materialist analytical method developed by Marx and Engels (and continually expanded by later generations), derived from examining the interactions of socio-economic forces within Feudalism that birthed Capitalism, and applying that study to the historical development of liberal capitalist society to sus out the transformative tendencies that would come to dominate the next major epoch of human civilization, broadly conceptualized as Communism.
In short, Communism isn’t simply a set of “wouldn’t it be nice if…” ideas. It’s an observation of the evolution of human relations. Sometimes specific branches die off like the Soviets and Parisian communards, but there isn’t such a thing as a “perfect stage” that evolution stops for, and it certainly isn’t Capitalism. That doesn’t necessarily rule out some third alternative, but so far it has only materialized as fascism and techno-feudalism, and neither to a Marxist are changes at all because the productive relations remain strictly Capitalist.
