Hexbear

1 point

1 year ago

You don’t get to define what is a “true anarchist” and what isn’t, much less exclusively based off of if they use a word you don’t like or not. I don’t care about your respect, I am merely pointing out a dynamic that constantly happens in this community and those similar to it.

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CyborgMarx [any, any]@hexbear.net

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11 points

1 year ago

I mean I can literally define what an anarchist is because there’s a historical and theoretical structure to anarchism and if it isn’t followed you’re simply not an anarchist

Anarchism isn’t an ethnic group, it’s a economic sociopolitical philosophy someone follows and 99% of people who use terms like “tankie” do not follow it

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1 point

1 year ago

I mean I can literally define what an anarchist is because there’s a historical and theoretical structure to anarchism and if it isn’t followed you’re simply not an anarchist

Fair enough, that’s true.

Regardless, saying “tankie” indicates nothing of your understanding of anarchist philosophy. You have to actually look at what the person is saying. Some definitely are simply larping (like vaushites and such), some have been committed anarchists for decades. I’m not sure if you’re so enthusiastic about left unity you want to believe “anti-tankie” anarchists are “just not the true real and good ones”, or if you just want to discredit anyone that uses the word, but regardless it’s just a blind blanket statement.

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CyborgMarx [any, any]@hexbear.net

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9 points

1 year ago

It’s not a “blind blanket statement” committed anarchists engaged in on the ground organizing are simply not using internet brained terms like “tankie”

it’s usage is always a signal that its user is either a delusional liberal or an online sectarian not remotely interested in real world politics

The proof is in the fact plenty of ML groups successfully organize alongside street level anarchist groups all over the US, which isn’t exactly a country kind to socialists of any kind

Using terms like tankie is a clear cut signal that person is terminally online and as a result couldn’t define anarchism to save their lives

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1 point

1 year ago

it’s usage is always a signal that its user is either a delusional liberal or an online sectarian not remotely interested in real world politics

That’s just what you want to believe.

The proof is in the fact plenty of ML groups successfully organize alongside street level anarchist groups all over the US, which isn’t exactly a country kind to socialists of any kind

You don’t have to stop being hostile to MLism to work with MLs. If there are common short term goals, it’s most often pragmatic to, especially in countries where there isn’t an active leftist threat at all like the US. That does not mean the anarchists are just perfectly fine being buddies with the MLs, nor that when the collaboration is over they won’t criticise and call them out again.

Using terms like tankie is a clear cut signal that person is terminally online and as a result couldn’t define anarchism to save their lives

Once again, that’s just what you believe. That’s nothing but a preconception. You’re telling yourself that so you can give yourself a free pass to blindly disregard anyone who says a word, and not have to listen to what they have to say. I’ve actually organized in real life both with pluralist orgs and with directly anti-marxist groups, full of people who despise all of you. Whether the real life anarchists I’ve done shit with say “authoritarian” “statist” or “tankie” or just “ML” has no bearing on their understanding of philosophy. Some are very new and don’t get things yet, some have been anarchists for longer than I have been alive, and have actually gone to jail for their anarchism.

You can disagree with and even condemn the actions of anti-marxist anarchist organizations just fine, but to try to say that they somehow aren’t “the TRUE ones” is just delusion.

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CyborgMarx [any, any]@hexbear.net

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2 points

1 year ago

That’s just what you want to believe.

Again, for the second time, it’s not about what I believe, anarchism has its own history with its own principles and theoretical foundation embedded in either a historically utopian or marxian conception of capitalism, even if the tactics and politics of rhetoric differ from capital M-Marxism, so if a so-called anarchist advances politics that preserves capitalism, they are not by any definition “anarchist” and that does in fact describe 99% of the people who use an online slur like “tankie”

So do you want to keep going in circles or do you just want to admit you have no idea what anarchism is

I’ve actually organized in real life both with pluralist orgs and with directly anti-marxist groups

lmao sure you have liberal

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1 point

1 year ago

anarchism has its own history with its own principles and theoretical foundation embedded in either a historically utopian or marxian conception of capitalism

This is what I’m talking about. You don’t get to say what “trve anarchism” is because you don’t actually know it. Anarchism has nothing to do with Marxism, not even ancoms. They’re entirely separate philosophies that view the world in different ways, both use material analysis and both stand against capitalism, but that does not mean they share a common goal, or have common ancestry. Have you actually read any anarchist theory? Or just On Authority and Anarchism or Socialism?

if a so-called anarchist advances politics that preserves capitalism

This once again proves you have no idea what you’re talking about. Anti-marxist anarchists are treated as actual terrorists by the state and capitalism. They’re among the most militant anti-capitalist groups on earth. The italian FAI bombs prisons while the italian ML party writes about needing critical support for ISIS in a 1998 looking ass website. Not to bring up the FARJ and the anarchists in Iran literally risking their lives as we speak. But you, from the comfort of your chair, disregard them to delude yourself into thinking what makes you comfortable.

But sure, carry on after talking to me, thinking you stand for left unity, and don’t worry your pretty little head about all of these groups and people that have done more against capitalism than you or I ever have. They’re not real, I assure you. They are surely just LARPing. You and the people you agree with are the one true and only based socialism bringers.

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