This rule has held true my entire life so far, and has probably been true since the 1940s.
Although i definitely know people who are pro-Palestine and pro-Ukraine and its like uhmmmm lol
at least one i know for sure is pro-Palestine in all regards, but he also won’t stop libbing out for Ukraine. All he thinks is Russia is oppressing Ukraine and completely ignores everything that led up to it. He said the war in Donbas was a Russian psyop so he ignores it that way. He’s also a big fan of the UN and NATO and claims to be an anarchist of some kind. But he’s anti capitalist as well. It’s really made me lose a lil respect for his inconsistent views. Unfortunately like many people he refuses to budge on those opinions, despite me telling him how they are contradictory.
in my example it’s more like he wants the revolution but thinks it will immediately become a non-authoritarian utopia and we won’t have to oppress anybody. He also wants to eat the rich? it truly is liberal levels of contradictions. Me and him used to just be simple Obama loving libs but he still hasn’t shaken all the lib off.
Have you educated him on how counterrevolutions kill even the mildest succdem if they don’t defend themselves?
I would venture to guess that people with these views just don’t know anything about history. I’m still very limited on my knowledge, especially when it comes to Ukraine but I know enough about US Imperialism to be sus of any intervention. Like, I know very very little about the history that led up to the war in Ukraine but I never was vehemently for or opposed to defending them simply because I know better than to pick a side without being very informed about what led to it. But I can see why people would have that position, not to say I defend them having that position.
I would venture to guess that people with these views just don’t know anything about history.
i wish it was like that. its more like they are just some strict 100% anti authoritarian, but they also want a revolution. it’s like the first disagreement ive had with someone that i agree with 95% of the time. it just turns into OH YOU LIKE THE STRONGMAN DONT YOU, so as a result i just avoid my current view on Stalin aka he didnt do as many wrong as the west says he did.
That’s hella crazy though!! Because the US IS THE STRONG MAN! Do they not make the connection that since Ukraine is backed so heavily by the biggest imperialist superpower that maaaaybe, they should rethink their position? That fact just refutes their position, even! It’s super unfortunate that it seems most people aren’t willing to connect the dots in that way. They just look at the immediate situation that is put before them and won’t make the effort to look into the nuance.
In some way, I feel lucky that a lot of people I know are either undercover Marxists, or are leftists in spirit but don’t feel strongly when it comes to a lot of international politics so I don’t have to fight against them with this stuff. Although, I think what inspired me to read theory and move into reading Lenin and then Stalin was that one of my comrades is a Trotskyist lol so I wanna be able to dunk on them with a rich background of knowledge…Or maybe agree with them but at least do it after exhausting a bunch of literature to know that I’m informed on all positions
If he likes the UN, is he not convinced by the UN report on Donbas? Tbf there is a way of reading that report as an ‘it just happened’ probably ‘because Russia’ – an event that simply materialised out of nowhere – it doesn’t get into the blame/chronology/historical context very clearly.
