This rule has held true my entire life so far, and has probably been true since the 1940s.

Although i definitely know people who are pro-Palestine and pro-Ukraine and its like uhmmmm lol

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The obvious answer you’ll get is WWII but I’m skeptical. US interests supported Hitler and Mussolini. Before, during, and after the war. It’s enlisted troops might have been a force for good. But on the whole, the question of the benevolence of US involvement is—well, I’m unconvinced.

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If you were a high ranking SS member you would be real happy for US involvement but I am not sure I trust their opinion.

All the genocide we did with the money we got from selling arms to Europe also is a mark against.

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US involved themselves once it became clear the Soviets would win. Why? Because opening a second front enabled them to occupy half of europe and sit around the table in Berlin that determines what happens after the war.

It functions as a deterrent to the Soviets. It is the reason the Soviets stopped at Berlin. Had there been no second front? The Soviets would have occupied it all. All of Europe would be red.

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the germans declared war on the US when they thought they were about to beat the soviets? who keeps promulgating this backwards narrative?

how do you explain US aid and cooperation with the Soviets if their real goal was simply undermining them? why did the soviets stress the need for a second front? all of europe would be red, if there was no question of Soviet victory. why give the neofascists a beachhead? why browbeat them about hot long its taking them to make a beachhead?

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American lend lease equipment didn’t start arriving until the Battle of Moscow had already started and none of it was put into deployment until it was over. The Germans had lost the war at this point.

I did not say the US goal was simply undermining the Soviets. I said that the goal of their decision to put boots on the ground was so that they took territory and would therefore be a presence against the Soviets occupying the whole of europe.

The soviets wanted a second front, it was good for ending the war faster, it was good for reducing the number of lives lost in the war. It was not good for communism, the goal was simply defeating the fascists, communism was secondary at the time, these are lives and the Soviets cared about them.

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