There are things on which they are drastically different.
Things which Democrats do little to nothing about. Remind me how abortion rights are going, again?
Am I supposed to address every little point on it?
I’m just asking you to back up the arguments you made, buddy. You insisted the entire diagram I provided was “dishonest” “cherry picking” and “sophomoric” and all I want is for you to do is explain exactly how, which you refuse to do aside from going on about climate change, one point among many that were presented.
But that doesn’t change the fact that with republicans we would do nothing.
So “doing nothing” and “doing a tiny bit of something then immediately negating it with something worse” are totally different things that we need to respect, got it.
Ah, so we agree both sides are not the same
“Both parties are the same” means “both parties only serve capital.” This isn’t a very complex point and you only make yourself look foolish by failing to grasp it.
Things which Democrats do little to nothing about. Remind me how are abortion rights going, again?
In blue states where they have significant control, perfectly fine. At the federal level where Republicans packed the court so they could take away the rights of individuals, and in Republican controlled states, not so much. Democrats can’t really do much when Republicans block appointments to the SCOTUS because “it’s an election year”, then turn around and contradict themselves and appoint a SCOTUS during an election year. And, again, they can’t do much when they have a slim majority, and things can be blocked by a filibuster or a handful of democrats dissenting from the party.
which you refuse to do aside from going on about climate change
Again, I said the environment, not just Climate change. Go look at environment protections in blue states vs red states.
And, again, this venn diagram you’ve probably been (smugly) pulling out and tapping every time someone challenges on the BS is now outdates, considering democrats just passed a significant climate bill (even if it isn’t enough). No longer can one claim they are doing nothing at the federal level but paying lip service.
So “doing nothing” and “doing a tiny bit of something then immediately negating it with something worse” are totally different things that we need to respect, got it.
This is generally how our government works, we do things incrementally. It’s kind of designed that way, for better or for worse. In this case worse. But yes, moving in the right direction is much better and different than moving in the wrong direction, even if it is only incremental.
“This isn’t a very complex point and you only make yourself look foolish by failing to grasp it.
So, if it isn’t complex, why obfuscate the point that they are only the same on a subset of things and ignore all the important ways they are different? Seems rather dishonest to me.
Democrats can’t really do much when Republicans block appointments to the SCOTUS because “it’s an election year”, then turn around and contradict themselves and appoint a SCOTUS during an election year. And, again, they can’t do much when they have a slim majority, and things can be blocked by a filibuster or a handful of democrats dissenting from the party.
Dems had multiple opportunities in the nearly 50 years Roe was active where they had control of both chambers of congress and the presidency, in which they could have easily enshrined abortion rights into law. Likewise for abolishing the filibuster. Why haven’t they?
Again, I said the environment, not just Climate change
Again, the diagram addresses far more than climate change/the environment. You said the entire diagram was “dishonest cherry picking,” yet here you are dishonestly cherry picking one small point while ignoring everything else presented on the image.
democrats just passed a significant climate bill (even if it isn’t enough). No longer can one claim they are doing nothing at the federal level but paying lip service.
Why should anyone bother responding to you if you’re going to ignore everything they say and just repeat the same points over and over again after they’ve been rebutted? Scroll up and read my other comments again, I’m not repeating myself.
why obfuscate the point that they are only the same on a subset of things and ignore all the important ways they are different
So all the points in the middle of the diagram just aren’t important? The fact that both parties only serve capital doesn’t matter to you? Both parties rubber stamping endless defense budget increases while healthcare crumbles is insignificant? Both parties providing full, unconditional support and funding to a genocidal apartheid state doesn’t matter because the bloo team did a single bill promising to reduce carbon emissions by a little bit (then completely negated it by opening up more oil drilling)?
In what important ways have they actually made a difference (and don’t fucking go on about “but the environment” again unless you have something new to say that hasn’t already been rebutted)?
Dems had multiple opportunities in the nearly 50 years Roe was active where they had control of both chambers of congress and the presidency, in which they could have easily enshrined abortion rights into law. Likewise for abolishing the filibuster. Why haven’t they?
Maybe should have. But what are you trying to prove here? They could have also teamed up with Republicans to outlaw abortion, but they didn’t. They’ve done plenty to show their support for pro-choice, especially at the state level. If they were “the same” here, then abortion would easily be illegal everywhere.
You said the entire diagram was “dishonest cherry picking,” yet
No I didn’t. I demonstrated why it was BS cherry picking by pointing out a glaring and important omission.
Why should anyone bother responding to you if you’re going to ignore everything they say and just repeat the same points over and over again after they’ve been rebutted?
You are mad at me for not moving with the goal posts. This went from 'they are both the same and democrats just pay lip service to the environment!" to “well, I don’t think they’ve done enough!” I can agree with the latter, but they are still doing things. They are still showing some effort. They are still moving in the right direction. Republicans are still denying everything.
So all the points in the middle of the diagram just aren’t important? The fact that both parties only serve capital doesn’t matter to you? Both parties rubber stamping endless defense budget increases while healthcare crumbles is insignificant? Both parties providing full, unconditional support and funding to a genocidal apartheid state doesn’t matter because the bloo team did a single bill promising to reduce carbon emissions by a little bit (then completely negated it by opening up more oil drilling)?
LOL. You’re basically just outright admitting how weak your position by the fact that you feel the need to put words in my mouth. The argument is that they are the same. I’ve already made clear I understand that in some ways they are the same. I’ll even add in some ways I strongly disagree with the way they are the same. So the fact that they are the same on some issues doesn’t change the fact that they are not the same. This isn’t difficult position to understand.
and don’t fucking go on about “but the environment” again unless you have something new to say that hasn’t already been rebutted
I said environment, you pretend that it was just climate change. I pointed out that they passed a bill with a large focus on climate change. You just whine it doesn’t count. I cited an article that you just blatantly ignored. lol, my man, you’ve rebutted nothing.
