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That’s not being a ‘determinist’, that’s just plain old mathematical certainty, considering Russia’s powerful industrial output, technological superiority, population advantage and supreme military experience. Also - overpriced NATO wonder weapons proved their papertigerness.

The US, the neocon monsters, those with actual competence… My take is - either the vast majority of them or ALL of them knew the impossibility of victory on the battlefield. That was not the point anyway

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I know, I’m just wondering if I’d imagine there were different possible outcomes if I believed in free will.

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Free will doesn’t include willing a thermobaric not to kill you when it has just detonated at your feet.

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I was just looking at new replies to the thread and felt my old one here was too quippy. What I really mean is that you can divide a materialistic free will argument into the following camps: Compatibilists, people too caught up in definitions, and deranged people who believe things completely at odds with directly observable reality. There are no other camps (I’m inducting you into the first one, if you complain that puts you in camp two). People who believe in free will typically believe very similar things in any practical circumstance to people who don’t, there’s just a disagreement on an ontological level about how hypothetically predictable it all is in the most absolute sense of the term (and honestly, even that is being charitable about the level of substance really present in the disagreement).

I say this to say that one’s position in this debate – if you can get them to agree that ghostly souls probably don’t exist – is unlikely to correlate with their stance on the war almost at all, because the same factors are at play in both cases and the phantom of “free” choice doesn’t weigh very heavily on understanding in practical terms how people make choices in life.

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Yeah, compatibilism makes sense if you believe in souls, specific definitions are stupid, do you believe in something at least partially beyond material factors that can make decisions? The last type just seem stupid.

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