by this artist I think. Ofc vote biden, harm reduction and all

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Is it increasing harm? Why are you telling people to NOT vote biden?

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Give me the resurrected corpses of Stalin and Lenin and I’ll vote for him.

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Yes, it is increasing harm

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oh that’s an interesting take, I am willing to listen

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A couple people responded with reasons why Trump would be a less harmful president, and I don’t really believe that, but voting for Biden is still not harm reduction because there’s more to it than that.

First, he would be at most a little bit better.

Second, he cheated in the primary. When someone cheats and you ignore it and let them win anyway, how are they going to behave in the future?

Third, the more Biden gets, the more it’s seen as a rebuke to the left and a validation of the neoliberal establishment. Win or lose, he needs to get as few votes as possible.

Fourth, people like Biden are much more dangerous than people like Trump. Although Trump may be worse in a vacuum, people like Biden take up space in what’s billed as the “left wing” of American politics, siphoning off support for a movement that might lead to change and, rather than simply opposing progress like the Republicans do, making it basically impossible.

Fifth, Joe Biden winning would mean he or his VP is running in 2024, no primary. Among other things, this would be a climate disaster, because despite the fact that he’s better on the climate than the Republicans are, anything short of radical action is mostly indistinguishable to the point that 8 years of Biden would definitely be worse than 4 years of Trump

Finally, 8 years of Obama led to a Trump victory, and it looks like chances are 4 years of Trump is going to lead to a Trump defeat. The next fascist after Trump is going to be less stupid and better at demagoguery, almost by definition. We know politicians like Biden open the door to fascism, which is reason enough to stop them from getting into power before we end up with president Tom Cotton

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Hot take, Trump is the least damaging of the two. The mismanagement of the Empire being so immense that it can only result in the collapse of US hegemony accross the globe. I’m not saying Biden will directly be worse than Trump, they’ll not stop deportation, wars, and probably go ahead to prosecute anarchists and BLM protesters; but what makes Biden a horrible president is that he’ll be doing absolutely NOTHING to fix inherent issues plaguing the US, and I can garantee you, he’ll try and smother left-wing voices with “concessions”. A Trump victory would discredit completely mainstream democrats to the eyes of the population, and add more fuel to a bad situation, thus paving the way for the revolution. Trump will, without a doubt, keep doing what he’s doing, but ask yourself if anything would change under Biden. Would the economy get better ? Nah, or just marginally. Would fossil fuel industries and fracking be stopped ? Nope. And the list goes on and on. Biden simply doesn’t provide as much of a guarantee for a revolution in the next 10 years, Trump however, definitely does.

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Generally, answers to this question try to look at the big picture of the many things that will be exactly the same under Biden and Trump, like imperialism, healthcare, responses to protests, global warming, and capitalism.

Really, Biden and Trump do have actual policy differences, that will hopefully impact some groups like LGBT people, but the big picture is identical either way.

This article talks about how voting is not harm reduction from an indigenous perspective. https://www.indigenousaction.org/voting-is-not-harm-reduction-an-indigenous-perspective/

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