Thanks to the hard work of thousands of volunteers, the vast majority of people in this country can vote socialist this November!

Visit đź”—votesocialist2024.com to learn more about the movement we are building and will continue to build well past the election.

You are viewing a single thread.
View all comments View context
2 points

Half the US military? We’re talking about the same fascist military that either committed or supported the largest atrocities in modern history? The Amerikkkan military that is on the ground, right now, protecting a genocide in order to create a pretext to invade Iran? The Amerikkkan military that is currently trying to provoke a nuclear war with Russia?

Not in the next one hundred years will half your military and 30% of your population stop being nazis. That will never happen before you either 1) decay and collapse into civil war, 2) get everyone else killed, 3) force the rest of the world to destroy you, or 4) the earth becomes uninhabitable. Amerikkka is an imperialist colonial project that should not exist. You cannot reform it. If you care about the rest of the world, you should be burning your fascist empire to the ground to give the rest of us some breathing room and let occupied countries burn your military bases for you.

permalink
report
parent
reply
13 points

Ok. I’d love for you to walk us through your analysis of how doing that could be organized and carried out, and then what the likely responses would be. Otherwise, you’re just an armchair revolutionary advocating for people to be either killed or spend their lives in prison for… what, exactly?

permalink
report
parent
reply
6 points
*

Yes. Aaron Bushnell was service.

I’ve met many a soldier who upon leaving service becomes horrified at the realization of what they have done. They can become potent forces for change or just propaganda. Even the most irritating centrist doesn’t scoff at military service; something that us leftists are pretty much unique for. If you don’t see how that has it’s own uses…not really sure what else to say.

Most people going into service have three options. Be a shithead and drop out in basic. Internalize and consume every piece of propaganda or try their best to maintain their humanity, dignity and morals in an environment designed to break those and mold them into something else. It’s no wonder that until they get out most of them don’t realize what they’ve done. Does this excuse them? No. Most of them are too far gone. However, we have ex-military here on Hexbear and Lemmygrad. Plenty of people have no idea what communism is at 18; conveniently another option to take is either extremely expensive education, wage-slave, or join the service…to which then you are under contract.

The military recruits poor and hungry as a tactic. Afterwards, a good chunk of them shoot themselves. Most of them are ticking time-bombs ready to go. A lot of analysis of what they’ve done, theory to help understand why and actual emotional appeal can turn them into sympathetic, military-trained comrades. Once again…if you don’t see how that his it’s own uses…

A lot of the organizing I’ve done has been with ex-military. I’ve heard some horrible fucking shit. I raise a question to you though, what do you think Lenin felt when ex-Whites joined the revolutionary cause? It’s something I’ve asked myself a lot.

permalink
report
parent
reply

Party for Socialism and Liberation

!psl@lemmygrad.ml

Create post

The Party for Socialism and Liberation believes that the only solution to the deepening crisis of capitalism is the socialist transformation of society. Driven by an insatiable appetite for ever greater profits regardless of social cost, capitalism is on a collision course with the people of the world and the planet itself. Imperialist war; deepening unemployment and poverty; deteriorating health care, housing and education; racism; discrimination and violence based on gender and sexual orientation; environmental destruction—all are inevitable products of the capitalist system itself.

For the great majority of people in the world, including tens of millions of workers in the United States, conditions of life and work are worsening. There is no prospect that this situation can or will be turned around under the existing system.

The idea that the capitalists’ grip on society and their increasingly repressive state can be abolished through any means other than a revolutionary overturn is an illusion. Equally unrealistic are reformist hopes for a “kinder, gentler” capitalism, or solutions based on economic decentralization or small group autonomy. Meeting the needs of the more than 6.5 billion people who inhabit the planet today is impossible without large-scale agriculture and industry and economic planning.

The fundamental problems confronting humanity today flow from the reality that most of the world’s productive wealth—the product of socialized labor and nature—is privately owned and controlled by a tiny minority. This minority decides what will be produced and what will not. Its decisions are based on making profits rather than meeting human needs.

There are really only two choices for humanity today—an increasingly destructive capitalism, or socialism.

Community stats

  • 2

    Monthly active users

  • 93

    Posts

  • 118

    Comments

Community moderators