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Think of someone who’s familiar with MADD, the history of car safety litigation, safety-related recalls, etc. If you tell them “no one gives a fuck about seriously changing this problem,” that’s not going to land with them. Cars are way safer now than they were in 1970, even if there’s a strong argument that we still accept too many vehicle-caused deaths.

In general, “here’s what’s already been tried and why it doesn’t go nearly far enough” is better than “no one even cares about this problem.”

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No totally, you’re point is very clear and well- taken and the person you’re replying to must have had a recent bad convo with some chud using vehicular death as a minimization or something.

Just because someone “could” use vehicular death as a minimization of other things doesn’t mean that’s what you’re doing, and I think the users here aren’t so disingenuous that you can’t even raise your point.

Tons of violent road deaths, tons of trauma and broken families, and an unwillingness to examine it because greatly improving it would cost money.

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