Hexbear

2 points

4 years ago

This is only a good idea if AOC had a superior pick to Pelosi with a plurality of support in the party

Why? How does a plurality in the Party help anything? Pelosi needs their votes to be Speaker. They can require that Pelosi make a public concession to their wing of the party. After this moment passes, Pelosi has no reason to listen to them again until 2022.

Just like every other media circus freak, he wants to attach his name to AOC’s because she’s high profile and he’s not. Dan fucking Crenshaw does this all the time. Fling shit at AOC and see what sticks.

The fact that Democratic Entryists see “following up on campaign promises” as “flinging shit” is why nothing will ever happen from this strategy.

Always fighting the last war. AOC isn’t Obama. I know this because I don’t see her heels propped up on the Resolute Desk.

I do not care about signaling. This sounds like Libs defending Obama because he does not golf every weekend.

Here is the similarity between AOC and Obama: they both refuse to use their leverage - mass public support and opportunities of political power - to demand concessions in the public square. They are only interested in what’s “achievable” in back-door deals.

This moment is the best leverage they will have in a very long time. It is incredibly lucky that the small progressive wing can swing the Speaker vote. At their current trajectory, progressives are decades away from controlling the House. We do not have that kind of time. They need to use this opportunity to its fullest.

Instead, they want us to believe they are working really really hard in back-door deals. Democratic careerists would much rather just say they are fighting for you behind closed doors.

It is such a fall from grace to see AOC go from occupying Pelosi’s office with climate protestors in 2018. If there was ever a time to bring out your supporters for leverage, it is now. But back in 2018, they were harmless. It made for a good photo-op.

I imagine you supported that move by AOC. To go from that, to “shoot at the Queen, you best not miss” is embarrassing. She missed in 2018, and lost nothing.

Absolute Obama lib shit.

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zifnab25 [he/him, any]@hexbear.net

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-2 points

4 years ago

Why?

Because Pelosi isn’t the final boss in a video game and beating her doesn’t mean you win.

I do not care about signaling.

Going to do a Communism, but without communicating intent or efficacy to the proletariat. This vanguard can’t fail.

Here is the similarity between AOC and Obama: they both refuse to use their leverage

Obama routinely used his leverage… to benefit institutions of capital and the police state. Let me know when AOC is campaigning for Joe Lieberman, re-upping Robert Gates to the Pentagon, and nixing a basketball walkout in protest of police brutality.

It is such a fall from grace to see AOC go from occupying Pelosi’s office with climate protestors in 2018.

Cortez is currently backing a Ro Khanna’s state-based M4A legislation, a law that has a much better chance of passing than blanket national M4A. Picking a fight with Pelosi right now would undermine that effort, given that both she and incoming HHS secretary Xavier Becerra support it.

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2 points

4 years ago

Cortez is currently backing a Ro Khanna’s state-based M4A legislation, a law that has a much better chance of passing than blanket national M4A

M4A is not passing any time soon. Most of the Democratic Party is owned by Big Pharma and Biden has said he will veto. Anyone talking about “the chances of M4A passing” is lying to your face. That is what AOC and Ro Khanna are doing.

The goal right now is to expose the Democratic establishment. They are not interested in that.

to benefit institutions of capital and the police state. Let me know when AOC is campaigning for Joe Lieberman, re-upping Robert Gates to the Pentagon, and nixing a basketball walkout in protest of police brutality.

We are about to see AOC vote for every single ghoul in Biden’s administration. We can dig through her voting record and see countless evil bills she’s voted on. She is not as powerful as Obama. She does not have the political clout to kill a basketball strike.

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zifnab25 [he/him, any]@hexbear.net

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0 points

4 years ago

M4A is not passing any time soon.

Then why push for a vote?

The goal right now is to expose the Democratic establishment.

Joe Biden is already President. He’ll be walking around with his pants at his knees for the next four years. They’re exposed. Nobody is going to remember a quixotic M4A vote inside a month of it being cast.

We are about to see AOC vote for every single ghoul in Biden’s administration.

The House doesn’t vote on Presidential appointments, dummy.

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2 points

4 years ago

Then why push for a vote?

To get opponents on record? You know, normal political tactics?

Why spend your time working on a bill that will not pass? All the efforts in the progressive bloc should be about delegitimizing the Democratic establishment. That is, if they were at all serious.

Nobody is going to remember a quixotic M4A vote inside a month of it being cast

That all depends on how willing the progressive wing is willing to rail on Dems who voted against health care in a pandemic. There is no will to power in the progressive bloc, so we know that won’t happen. They just want to be including in Democratic back-door dealings.

The House doesn’t vote on Presidential appointments

Her progressive friends in the Senate will. She will play her role in the House.

Again, you are caught up in the same political game that Obama fans were in 2009.

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zifnab25 [he/him, any]@hexbear.net

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0 points

4 years ago

To get opponents on record?

Plenty of House Reps are already on record.

Why spend your time working on a bill that will not pass?

That’s what I’m asking you. You’re ready to fight Pelosi for her speakership on this issue.

All the efforts in the progressive bloc should be about delegitimizing the Democratic establishment.

That’s some naval gazing inside baseball shit. Nobody on the ground gives a shit. Congress already has a sub-10% approval rating. All you’re doing is playing into the pissing contest.

That all depends on how willing the progressive wing is willing to rail on Dems who voted against health care in a pandemic.

Where is the political economy in this? Who cares? You’re not doing a thing about material condition.

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3 points

4 years ago

Plenty of House Reps are already on record.

No they are not. No one is on record voting for M4A. Stop lying.

That’s what I’m asking you. You’re ready to fight Pelosi for her speakership on this issue.

I want progressives to fight for a vote on M4A. No M4A bill is getting passed until, at least, 2024. The only way it will pass is if progressives win the presidency and can browbeat Congress to pass it.

The only way this will happen if the progressive make a clear distinction between themselves and the rest of the Democratic Party on popular issues - such as M4A. There is no difference between AOC and, say, Kamala Harris on this issue. They are both co-sponsors of the bill.

Right now, the only people who believe AOC is different than the Democratic machine are the people who want to believe her signaling is genuine. It is the same way Trump and Obama maintain their support despite doing nothing.

That’s some naval gazing inside baseball shit. Nobody on the ground gives a shit.

Bernie’s entire political power came from pushing Congress on issues that would never pass.

He would not have been successful in 2016 if not for the fact that he voted against the war in Iraq and the bank bailouts. The entire propaganda effort for his campaign centered on these votes as proof of his legitimacy.

If you disagree with this tactic of building power, you should not be supporting any Democratic Party entryist.

Where is the political economy in this? Who cares?

Where is the political economy in withholding health care during a pandemic? How dense can you be?

Have you been paying attention to the outrage over withholding stimulus? Every person in my life who is not tuned into politics is pissed about the stimulus negotiations right now. People see M4A as pandemic relief.

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