Hexbear

1 point

4 years ago

Yeah definitely didn’t go out there to get reactions to the take, just happened upon a thread.

I guess my biggest question with this is how do you parley this vote into a vehicle for radicalization? Wouldn’t the media not cover the vote as much as they can and then give cover to those who do come under fire? Americans notoriously have a short attention span, so hoping this sticks until primary season seems optimistic.

I’m not saying the vote happening would be bad, more than it seems like a lot of energy expended within a corporate controlled system for very little gain. Open to having my mind changed.

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Papanurgel [none/use name]@hexbear.net

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4 points

4 years ago

The new bad faith podcast talks about all of your questions.

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-1 points

4 years ago

I’m already listening to and reading a lot, not a ton of time to listen to an hour of discussion on this. If it can’t be answered succinctly then I am just going to assume there isn’t a good answer

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PhaseFour [he/him]@hexbear.net

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2 points

4 years ago

how do you parley this vote into a vehicle for radicalization? Wouldn’t the media not cover the vote as much as they can and then give cover to those who do come under fire?

You want a simple answer to a question this large?

I’m assuming you have the correct answer? Please share. The media won’t cover any progressive action positively.

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0 points

4 years ago

Why would I be asking the question from the position of I think this is pointless if I saw a route to radicalization of others for it lol. Everyone rabid about doing this is saying

Step 1: Force the vote

Step 2: Count who doesn’t vote for it

Step 3: ???

Step 4: Revolution

I have yet to see how the “ammunition” of someone voting no will do anything to improve material conditions

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PhaseFour [he/him]@hexbear.net

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2 points

4 years ago

Step 1: Force the vote

Step 2: Turn the fight for M4A during a pandemic into a progressive event a la Occupy and the Bernie campaign.

Step 3: Coordinate with pro-M4A organizations, unions, and media to force the issue into public consciousness for the months leading up to the vote.

Step 4: ???

Withholding their vote for Pelosi is the most power the “socialists” in office will have for a long time. A fight for M4A would breathe life into mass movements which are struggling to respond to the current pandemic.

These politicians are supposedly of these mass movements, so it seems worthwhile to push them for the next month to withhold their vote. It is an experiment to see how much they actually respond to pressure.

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1 point

4 years ago

I appreciate the answer, I’m not sure whether I think this will result in anything, but I at least understand why people think it is worthwhile.

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Papanurgel [none/use name]@hexbear.net

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2 points

4 years ago

They answer the exact questions you ask. It’s up for pirating on /r/leftpodcasts.

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