In light of the fact that some people have reported that people are being class reductionist on this site, I would like to say that class reductionism is reactionary and has nothing to do with Marxism or Anarchism.

The class vs identity debate is incredibly silly, and I hate that it keeps coming up amongst people. The fact is that there is no class vs idpol conflict. Heres why:

  • Communism is incompatible with any coercive or oppressive system, for it is defined as the absence of those things.

  • If we want to achieve communism and defeat oppressive systems we need working-class solidarity

  • The working class includes BIPOC, Women, Disabled people and LGBT people

  • Working class solidarity means having solidarity with all of these people and uniting our struggles together.

  • All of the major successful revolutionary movements understood this.

What happened to the class reductionists? Did they achieve anything? Did they get any advancements for the working class they claimed to represent? They did not, because in being reactionaries they cut off important allies, limited the scope of their struggles, and would sooner side with the bourgeoisie than with other oppressed groups.

So to conclude, intersectionality and trans liberation are good and necessary, and anyone who still believes in class reductionist ideas can fuck off. You are a nothing more than a crypto Strasserite and will wreck the movement if not dealt with properly.

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I can agree with all your points, but the framing of capitalism as the one and only big-bad is what I have a problem with. people can be phobic/bigots outside the framework of capitalism. does capitalism exploited and perpetuate those bigotries? yes. but it didn’t originate them.

We can fight both. we must fight both. or the fight for all of it is lost.

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you’re right, even the drive against something like “Great Han chauvinism” was pointed out years after the revolution in PRC. And many places with “socialist” governments still deal with strict social homogeneity & regressive popular culture, and ethnocentrism.

social stigma & unnecessary pointless hatred of “out-groups” has to be inoculated against in many different ways. I don’t think the mass media & cultural fight are hopeless, and I think it’s made more effective when we build as a unified front together toward it

what I want most to avoid, even more than “Strasserism” (which was bad enough but I think was confined to its time and place), is “Beefsteak Nazis” who merely by the right-wing swing in Western governments decide to side with those reactionary powerful elements. We can’t shirk addressing the legitimized systems & institutions of power either.

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absolutely, All power must be critically pulled apart.

here’s probably my best reference for what I’m talking about btw. https://redsails.org/on-identitarianism-a-defense-of-a-strawman/

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