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they don’t have the leftist presence one would expect if social democracy increased avenues for leftist political participation

But they are substantially further left than us. We can’t say that Bernie would basically be a conservative in most countries and then turn around and say those countries are basically as capitalist as we are.

without other pressures, you’re just solidifying the labor aristocracy

There definitely need to be other pressures, and a leftist movement that grows by delivering material improvements can provide those pressures. Even with the baby leftists we have now, they’re talking about a lot more than just healthcare and welfare.

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they just have a measure of economic safety for their citizens

That’s an enormous “just.” “Just” giving people healthcare instead of letting them go bankrupt when they have appendicitis is a huge material improvement, and by itself makes those countries significantly further left than we are. Then look at labor protections, unionization, criminal justice, how far left you can be and have any shot at political power, etc. They’re not leftist, but they’re substantially further left than we are.

Baby leftists in the US are barely calling for m4a and welfare

They commonly talk about the Green New Deal, free college, ending mass incarceration, making it easier to unionize, etc., and Bernie even talked about getting worker representation on corporate boards.

a less heavy boot on your back doesn’t mean anything if there isn’t an org taking advantage of it. If we had one concrete movement/party which was pushing for demands like m4a and worker protections and was able to force concessions from the government

This is exactly the DSA’s strategy, and they’re not far from realizing at least part of it.

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