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My favorite are the folks who remain completely uncritical of China.
Like yeah, China is doing some cool communist like stuff, and absolutely we should look to them as one model of how communism can work in large scale in the modern era. Modern communists can learn a lot from some of the things China is doing, and I think that China should be supported in the doing of those things.
BUT.
China is not fully communist, at all, and they are still undoubtedly doing some real fucking awful things. Excusing those things as “it’s part of the transition” or “it takes time” makes you sound like a psycho lib. Remain critical of China please. Just be critical of the correct things, and celebrate the correct things as well.
we dont really know yet what the plan is
Comrade, lets not beat about the fucking bush
We’re touchy over China right now because the US is putting patches of a skull and drone bombing China on its soldiers
https://news.antiwar.com/2020/09/29/us-military-patch-depicts-drone-and-skull-over-china/
I definitely get WMD flashbacks every time I hear about Uighurs being persecuted in China. I’m not saying it’s not true, but I absolutely don’t trust the sudden concern from the MSM and government given their total indifference to, well everything else.
Don’t forget that they were literally bombing the Uighurs 2 years ago: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2018/02/10/bombing-of-chinese-separatists-in-afghanistan-is-a-sign-of-how-trumps-war-there-has-changed/
“There will be no safe haven for any terrorist group,” Gen. John Nicholson, the head of U.S. Forces in Afghanistan, said in a statement Thursday. “We continue to hunt them across the country.”
To be true you have to have evidence
The only evidence is from Adrian Zenz and a think tank NGO owned by the US
And when this evidence is held up to scrutiny it falls apart in seconds or all leads back to far right US paid for organisations who’s literal stated goal is to overthrow China
https://thegrayzone.com/2020/03/26/forced-labor-china-us-nato-arms-industry-cold-war/
https://www.greanvillepost.com/2019/07/22/march-of-the-uyghurs/
https://www.greanvillepost.com/2020/10/15/the-us-is-on-a-path-to-war-with-china-what-is-to-be-done/
It’s not a huge mystery why. The US has been declining for years, after having built inconceivably extensive systems of imperial domination to compete with a superpower that no longer exists. Those systems need to be directed at something, and China, even though it is or was a major trading partner, is best positioned to knock the US out of the #1 spot.
just curious, what are the awful things they are doing that isn’t uighur related
To pick one, social credit is a little bit questionable in a lot of its implementations. The Great Firewall is another very, very bad practice.
the reality of the “social credit” system was massively overstated in western media outlets.
My thinking on the firewall has shifted a lot over time. Imagine what a massive problem it could be if every Chinese person was on Facebook, for example - blocking that as an protectionist move and allowing Weibo to grow as the Chinese-owned and -operated alternative was absolutely the right move. And when you consider the censorship that it enables, consider that western corporations do a lot of censorship too - but the difference between western and Chinese censorship is that the Chinese censors are democratically accountable to a larger degree than the western ones, who just happen to own the website in question.
I was also very negative on the Great Firewall for a long time but I’ve come around to the belief that it’s necessary, even if its benefits are completely unintentional.
Even libs understand that fake news is a huge threat to democracy and social cohesion, if the media can’t be trusted to report fairly on Bernie Sanders how can they be trusted to report fairly on Xi Jinping? How much worse would propaganda in the MSM get if the US thought there was a chance it was going to cause domestic unrest in China? If we challenge and critically approach the framework of free press as a conduit for unbiased information that selects for accuracy, then the Great Firewall might be the least bad alternative.
Furthermore, Western tech companies have horrible privacy practices and literally collude with US intelligence services, even US allies like the EU are sick of their shit and are feuding with the US over data taxes. Nurturing Chinese tech companies and keeping the data of Chinese citizens out of the hands of US companies was a very, very prescient move (if intentional).
I’m skeptical of the idea “the free market is bad, except when it comes to the press”. I still have a lot of gripes with the Great Firewall as a concept and its implementation but I also don’t know how to resolve those problems without emboldening the US’s efforts at hybrid warfare.
The Chinese fishing fleet is massively subsidized and operates in a lot of African EEZs without regard to international laws, causing the collapse of the local fishing industry and ecosystems.
Failling to protect their culture, I’m sure Gorbatchev would approve the amount of pizza huts they have. Most locally-produced movies are trying to copycat hollywood blockbusters and the music industry ain’t doing better.
